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HarryMorgan



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:40 am    Post subject: Back for advice Reply with quote

I posted my after school situation a little over a month ago: Company and school parted ways, I've been working directly with the school since, and it looked as though things were going to be alright. I've been getting paid 3 million a month but some committee at the school has decided to bring in another after school agency, so I was given the 30 days notice (not in writing).

Now, there are a few things that need to be mentioned. I (yes, stupidly) signed a contract with the double bank book scam going on, but that ended when the school and the agency parted ways. I'm also pretty sure my employment directly with the school is illegal in some way. I've been signing blank contracts every new term that were all in Korean. The school is doing some pretty shady stuff so when I got the 30 days notice I kind of threw the labor board and MOE into question because I really did want to stay at this job until February, as I was previously told I would. Kids were great, four and a half hours a day, no one ever bothered me, etc.

She tried to frame it as legal, saying I was an "hourly worker"... which I've never heard about, is that legal on an E2? But she's afraid of something. And it's obvious, because she freaks out when I bring up MOE.

Anyway, today I was told that because of this committee there is absolutely no way I can stay there. She said the back pay on my healthcare and pension (which is still something I'm kind of worried about) won't be a big issue after she gets some letter from the previous (bank book scam) company (no idea how that works. She said the contract with the agency is still valid [EDIT: Valid for ME], even though the school no longer works with them-- how can that contract still be valid when the company broke ties with the school?).

She also promised me that she would get one of the two after school agencies (that are coming in next week to do their demos) to give me a new after school job. This is all a bit confusing and complicated, but I guess that if she can get me a new after school job, I'd probably be happy enough to not report the school. How is my line of thinking in this going?

Can an E2 legally work at a public school as an "hourly worker?"

Korea's not really my bag, and I'm not interested in staying here unless I have an after school position. I was gonna try to get one in the next couple weeks, find someone to takeover my lease, then bail to China if I didn't get one. After, of course, reporting this shady school. But, if she follows through with her word and hooks me up with another after school job, I guess I'll be content.

Apologize for the length. Anything I'm missing here? I doubt many people have been in this situation before, but I'd appreciate any input. I think I played it pretty well, but we'll see what happens.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. You won't see a penny of this "pension" promise.
2. What do you plan on doing in China? Do you even have a city picked out? half baked scheme at best
3. You have your contract and labor board. If you don't want to deal with legal issues, get what you can and leave pronto coyote san!!!!!!
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HarryMorgan



Joined: 02 May 2011

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
1. You won't see a penny of this "pension" promise.
2. What do you plan on doing in China? Do you even have a city picked out?
3. You have your contract and labor board. If you don't want to deal with legal issues, get what you can and leave pronto coyote san!!!!!!


1) Not sure what you mean.
2) Yes, Guangzhou
3) Are you talking about asking for a bribe? I almost did that in my third meeting with the director today. I wonder what a reasonable amount would be.
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viciousdinosaur



Joined: 30 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're on E2 but doing an afterschool job. Well that's your problem right there. Those problems have been designed for those on F6, so they are doing things that illegal in your case. No pension, no severance, no health care, just cash.
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HarryMorgan



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of E2s, F2s, and others working at after school programs. I don't think they're necessarily designed for F6 visa holders. However, any F visa holder is generally preferred for those jobs. I had pension and healthcare, but that's no longer.

I got pulled into another one of these heated 45 minute talks with the director on Friday. She keeps getting furious that I'm not bowing down and taking it up the backside like my CT is. When I was up to my nuts in BS, I told her that if she didn't keep me there or get me a job with one of the after school companies she's been talking to, I would have my girlfriend call every parent's number on the attendance sheet to tell them how the principal and AS director have been stealing money from them for the last (likely) five years. Hopefully that made an impact.

Listen, I just want to know. Can an E2 visa holder be contracted as an "hourly worker" at a public school, whatever that means? Working on three month contracts without HC or pension? I don't even know if it matters, but my contract says I'm a 피고용인. Does that mean anything? Is there anything illegal in this that I can work with? I've been told that, no matter what, my visa is valid until November, which was when I started working, so, apparently, I can transfer it at anytime. I will contact the labor board, but I know there are certain people on here who are well versed in this stuff.

And when you've been given 30 days notice and have worked more than six months at a public school, does the notice have to be in writing?

Literally, any advice would be good. Go at them hard, threaten to slander the hell out of them and call all of the parents, try to land some solid bribe money? Is there anything I have to worry about legally? Would the labor board or MOE have reason to take any significant action, even though the bank book scam is no longer going on at this school? Thanks.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And when you've been given 30 days notice and have worked more than six months at a public school, does the notice have to be in writing?


Should be given in writing all the time. If you want to quit, same for you. It's to your advantage not to have it in writing so you continue to be owed wages (until you get a new school).
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Joe Boxer



Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Back for advice Reply with quote

HarryMorgan wrote:
I (yes, stupidly) signed a contract with the double bank book scam going on...


I was just wondering the other day if that was still going on. I hadn't heard about it for awhile.

Who the HELL would make a bank account and then give the bank book and card to someone else??
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HarryMorgan



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Back for advice Reply with quote

Joe Boxer wrote:
HarryMorgan wrote:
I (yes, stupidly) signed a contract with the double bank book scam going on...


I was just wondering the other day if that was still going on. I hadn't heard about it for awhile.

Who the HELL would make a bank account and then give the bank book and card to someone else??


Yeah, I knew before hand that it was old school. But, someone who needed a job and stumbled upon the easiest job in Korea. And someone who regularly got statements with plans of stealing the money, though they filtered it through a third account and never put much in my account.
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Joe Boxer



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: Back for advice Reply with quote

HarryMorgan wrote:
Joe Boxer wrote:
HarryMorgan wrote:
I (yes, stupidly) signed a contract with the double bank book scam going on...


I was just wondering the other day if that was still going on. I hadn't heard about it for awhile.

Who the HELL would make a bank account and then give the bank book and card to someone else??


Yeah, I knew before hand that it was old school. But, someone who needed a job and stumbled upon the easiest job in Korea. And someone who regularly got statements with plans of stealing the money, though they filtered it through a third account and never put much in my account.

That would have been awesome to skip town with 80-or-so million won Very Happy
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nero



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work for an after school program too. It is certainly not illegal for E2 visa holders. Umm with regard to your situation..I guess I would keep staying there as they paid me. It all sounds dodgy, but make it work for you? I mean the ball is in your court. They can't bring anyone else into the situation, so I guess stay until it suits you? I really don't know what else to say. Good luck?
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Joe Boxer



Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nero wrote:
I work for an after school program too. It is certainly not illegal for E2 visa holders. Umm with regard to your situation..I guess I would keep staying there as they paid me. It all sounds dodgy, but make it work for you? I mean the ball is in your court. They can't bring anyone else into the situation, so I guess stay until it suits you? I really don't know what else to say. Good luck?

Did you have to give someone your bankbook and card (and PIN)?
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HarryMorgan



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That would have been awesome to skip town with 80-or-so million won


Man, if that was the amount, I can only imagine. But with the tuition rate and number of students, the amount was around 18 million won per term. It was unfortunate when I realized only about a grand was being put into my fake account.

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Umm with regard to your situation..I guess I would keep staying there as they paid me. It all sounds dodgy, but make it work for you? I mean the ball is in your court. They can't bring anyone else into the situation, so I guess stay until it suits you? I really don't know what else to say. Good luck?


Well, thanks. I wish I could stay there and I've been trying to make it work, but they're pushing me out. If the director convinces one of the AS companies who is taking over the program to get me placed at one of their schools, as she has said she would, I'll be content. But, if she can't, the gf will be calling every mother on the list and informing them of the bank book scam the school has been using to steal from them for years. Tom gave me some, obviously, good advice via PM, and it appears it might be a bad idea to create the smear campaign I've been considering, and threatening them with. Thanks for the feedback. Any other input is appreciated.
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nero



Joined: 11 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Boxer wrote:
nero wrote:
I work for an after school program too. It is certainly not illegal for E2 visa holders. Umm with regard to your situation..I guess I would keep staying there as they paid me. It all sounds dodgy, but make it work for you? I mean the ball is in your court. They can't bring anyone else into the situation, so I guess stay until it suits you? I really don't know what else to say. Good luck?

Did you have to give someone your bankbook and card (and PIN)?


Actually Joe, I work for a well established company with an excellent reputation. With regard to your 'snark' I wonder what you (in your infinite wisdom Rolling Eyes ) would suggest the OP do. He is, in a sense, stuck where he is. Why not play the game on his terms and make it work for him while it suits him? It is easier for him to find a new job than the school find a new teacher.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nero wrote:
Joe Boxer wrote:
nero wrote:
I work for an after school program too. It is certainly not illegal for E2 visa holders. Umm with regard to your situation..I guess I would keep staying there as they paid me. It all sounds dodgy, but make it work for you? I mean the ball is in your court. They can't bring anyone else into the situation, so I guess stay until it suits you? I really don't know what else to say. Good luck?

Did you have to give someone your bankbook and card (and PIN)?


Actually Joe, I work for a well established company with an excellent reputation. With regard to your 'snark' I wonder what you (in your infinite wisdom Rolling Eyes ) would suggest the OP do. He is, in a sense, stuck where he is. Why not play the game on his terms and make it work for him while it suits him? It is easier for him to find a new job than the school find a new teacher.

Actually, there was no snark intended (seriously). I know that a LOT of teachers had been doing the after school programs a few years ago, and had been giving their bank books, cards and PINs to an administrator.

I refused to do that back in 2004, so they just hired someone else.

I thought that shady practice had gone the way of the dodo until I read the first bit of the OP, and commented on it. Then when you said you work for an after school program, I was curious if you had to do the same.
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