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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| ghostrider wrote: |
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| ^ Nailed it. (Now I definitely think we should ban all motor vehicles to keep society safe). |
You can only reach that conclusion if you focus on the disadvantages of cars and conveniently ignore the advantages. People commonly use cars for transportation which must be taken into consideration if you want to ban them. Cars are very practical but guns much less so in today's world. |
Cocaine and heroin are really impractical, but the suppression of these substances in the United States has been futile. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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| Come on, just admit he caught you out with with your scooter argument. |
I don't think so.
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Of course you don't, but that argument was ludicrous from the get-go. |
What? That 1-3 deaths a year from scooter accidents on the sidewalk isn't sufficient reason to ban their use on the sidewalk? That's a ludicrous argument?
Or the argument that deaths from accidents with vehicles are not the same thing as intentional deaths from firearms?
Again- One is an accidental death from a transportation device, used daily by the general public. The other is intentional death from a weapon, used infrequently by criminals. Such things might require different principles in approaching their regulation, not just "they all cause death, let's go safety to the max". |
Yes. |
I disagree. 1-3 deaths per year is not sufficient reason to ban scooters driving on the sidewalk. I bet 1-3 people per year are killed by two people bumping into each other the sidewalk while walking. By that logic we should ban walking on the sidewalk. |
More ludicrosity.
BTW, your assumption that there is any logic to your post is far-fetched at best. |
Explain please. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| ghostrider wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| ^ Nailed it. (Now I definitely think we should ban all motor vehicles to keep society safe). |
You can only reach that conclusion if you focus on the disadvantages of cars and conveniently ignore the advantages. People commonly use cars for transportation which must be taken into consideration if you want to ban them. Cars are very practical but guns much less so in today's world. |
Cocaine and heroin are really impractical, but the suppression of these substances in the United States has been futile. |
Don't even go there . Countries that ban guns experience a lot fewer problems with the criminal misuse of firearms. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| ghostrider wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| ^ Nailed it. (Now I definitely think we should ban all motor vehicles to keep society safe). |
You can only reach that conclusion if you focus on the disadvantages of cars and conveniently ignore the advantages. People commonly use cars for transportation which must be taken into consideration if you want to ban them. Cars are very practical but guns much less so in today's world. |
Totally irrelevant. Your own "logic" dictates that we must ban all motor vehicles today. To do otherwise would be morally reprehensible and put the public at continued risk of death.
In fact, I'm loving your "logic" so much I'm struggling at the moment to think of things we shouldn't ban... |
You can spin it how you want, but don't be surprised if you find yourself quickly becoming irrelevant to the debate. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| ghostrider wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| ghostrider wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| ^ Nailed it. (Now I definitely think we should ban all motor vehicles to keep society safe). |
You can only reach that conclusion if you focus on the disadvantages of cars and conveniently ignore the advantages. People commonly use cars for transportation which must be taken into consideration if you want to ban them. Cars are very practical but guns much less so in today's world. |
Cocaine and heroin are really impractical, but the suppression of these substances in the United States has been futile. |
Don't even go there . Countries that ban guns experience a lot fewer problems with the criminal misuse of firearms. |
Data? Which countries?
I refuse to take seriously the conceit that America can ban guns like it were some small European country. We have a different history and a higher demand. I realize that your (sub)urban-bias and statist sympathies make you think that a gun ban in the US will work. But it will end up like the war on drugs. You will have home invasions and it will create criminals from the law abiding. Actually, it would be much worse, because the right to bear arms has been guaranteed since the Bill of Rights. No, that Bill of Rights.
And Captain Corea thought my exploration of the right to bear arms upthread was uninteresting. But apparently it was necessary. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| ghostrider wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| ghostrider wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| ^ Nailed it. (Now I definitely think we should ban all motor vehicles to keep society safe). |
You can only reach that conclusion if you focus on the disadvantages of cars and conveniently ignore the advantages. People commonly use cars for transportation which must be taken into consideration if you want to ban them. Cars are very practical but guns much less so in today's world. |
Cocaine and heroin are really impractical, but the suppression of these substances in the United States has been futile. |
Don't even go there . Countries that ban guns experience a lot fewer problems with the criminal misuse of firearms. |
This is something you just pulled out of your ass. Like most things you've posted on this subject. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:47 am Post subject: |
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Data? Which countries? |
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METHODS: A cross-sectional analysis of the World Health Organization Mortality Database analyzes homicides and suicides (both disaggregated as firearm related and non-firearm related) and unintentional and undetermined firearm deaths from 23 populous high-income Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development countries that provided data to the World Health Organization for 2003.
RESULTS: The US homicide rates were 6.9 times higher than rates in the other high-income countries, driven by firearm homicide rates that were 19.5 times higher. For 15-year olds to 24-year olds, firearm homicide rates in the United States were 42.7 times higher than in the other countries. For US males, firearm homicide rates were 22.0 times higher, and for US females, firearm homicide rates were 11.4 times higher. |
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571454
| Kuros wrote: |
I refuse to take seriously the conceit that America can ban guns like it were some small European country. We have a different history and a higher demand. I realize that your (sub)urban-bias and statist sympathies make you think that a gun ban in the US will work. But it will end up like the war on drugs. You will have home invasions and it will create criminals from the law abiding. Actually, it would be much worse, because the right to bear arms has been guaranteed since the Bill of Rights. No, that Bill of Rights.
And Captain Corea thought my exploration of the right to bear arms upthread was uninteresting. But apparently it was necessary. |
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