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Dalton



Joined: 26 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy was 39? He had a 6 year old child, a wife. Did he have a job? Friends? A house? Yeah what's not to respect about a guy who's built a life for himself.

That's what you respect.

It's amazing how easy it is for people to 'respect' the local drug dealer with all the killings and crime that come from that profession but some guy who was actually smart enough to thrive within the system has to earn respect from some kids who haven't even learned the necessary requisites to live a fully independent life.

What if the dead man was Neil Armstrong? We just automatically disrespect everyone until they pull their creds? Maybe the guy was wrong to call out the kids. Violence is often the refuge of the stupid and whatever the outcome these kids will have to live with it all their lives.

So will a 6 year old child and her mother.

Those kids were just wrong on so many levels. The 'respect' thing is just blaming the victim. How many of you would take this argument to his family.

Don't dis kids they'll kill you. What a message.

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Especially as a teacher.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rainman3277 wrote:

Guys who always provocate 'respect for age' are you generally do so because they have trouble earning that respect


You what?

You don't even know me to be passing judgement on me, troll. Rolling Eyes

A certain degree of respect for elders is the foundation of every well-ordered society in history. I agree that it shouldn't be taken to extremes (as in korea) and that older people should set a good example..and lose respect if they don't. But still..in general...your average 10 year old should not be allowed to openly disrespect a 50 year old.

Although I'm guessing you are from some pitiable deprived alienated urban postmodern western background. In which case you might not know what respect means.
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rambler



Joined: 18 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalton wrote:
Those kids were just wrong on so many levels. The 'respect' thing is just blaming the victim. How many of you would take this argument to his family.

Don't dis kids they'll kill you. What a message.

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Especially as a teacher.


How about:
-Mind your own business?
-Be the more mature one?
-Walk away from a conflict situation?

I'm not defending disrespectful youths, but old folks shouldn't start fights either.
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hagwonnewbie



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intersting. I'm always afraid of slipping and splittin me dome on all that granite tile I see everywhere in Korea. I've seen several people's haeds land on Korean concrete with little effect.

I just saw some vid about Canadian city planner putting in soft streets around stadiums and downtown areas BECAUSE so many fights ended in someone getting skull fractures on the pavement, either from fighting, falling or some drunken horsing around.

In fact many sidewalks in korea are made form that same recysled tire rubber particle mat. Let me look for that article...
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People aren't reading the article are they?

Dalton wrote:
Don't dis kids they'll kill you. What a message.

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Especially as a teacher.


The actual message is: don't start street fights especially if you have a wife and kids. Or, if you're 39 you should be grown up enough that fighting over "respect" with random people you don't know is stupid.

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BECAUSE so many fights ended in someone getting skull fractures on the pavement, either from fighting, falling or some drunken horsing around.


This is the number 1 lesson people should take from this. Getting into street fights is dangerous win or lose. Hell, you could accidently kill someone by pushing them.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rambler wrote:
Dalton wrote:
Those kids were just wrong on so many levels. The 'respect' thing is just blaming the victim. How many of you would take this argument to his family.

Don't dis kids they'll kill you. What a message.

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Especially as a teacher.


How about:
-Mind your own business?
-Be the more mature one?
-Walk away from a conflict situation?

I'm not defending disrespectful youths, but old folks shouldn't start fights either.


Is asking someone to stop spitting and/or swearing starting a fight?

I'm curious, because I think it is a very reasonable request.


fermentation wrote:


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BECAUSE so many fights ended in someone getting skull fractures on the pavement, either from fighting, falling or some drunken horsing around.


This is the number 1 lesson people should take from this. Getting into street fights is dangerous win or lose. Hell, you could accidently kill someone by pushing them.

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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the problem with the guy in the article is that he didn't ask, he scolded, and when the kid didn't back down, he engaged in a screaming match that lead to a fight. As far as I can tell, he instigated it and then escalated it by getting in a fight with a different guy who was trying to calm him down. All around

If you encounter someone who is being rude, do you scold them? No, you ask them nicely to to stop what they're doing. And people don't like being scolded and get defensive even if they know they're in the wrong. That's just common sense.

If your initial request didn't take, you either reason with them or move on and chalk it up as douches being douches.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I think that's a valid observation. Hard to tell exactly how it played out, but it kind of looks bad for the dad.

I do agree though that asking for politeness is a reasonable way to go. I've had teens swearing around me and my kid, and when I nicely asked them to consider that there were kids around, they were (relatively) cool with that.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hagwonnewbie wrote:

I just saw some vid about Canadian city planner putting in soft streets around stadiums and downtown areas BECAUSE so many fights ended in someone getting skull fractures on the pavement, either from fighting, falling or some drunken horsing around.



Exactly. Fighting was OK before concrete was invented.

All those playground scraps on the grass school field never did any harm.
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Dalton



Joined: 26 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rambler wrote:
Dalton wrote:
Those kids were just wrong on so many levels. The 'respect' thing is just blaming the victim. How many of you would take this argument to his family.

Don't dis kids they'll kill you. What a message.

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Especially as a teacher.


How about:
-Mind your own business?
-Be the more mature one?
-Walk away from a conflict situation?

I'm not defending disrespectful youths, but old folks shouldn't start fights either.


How about-

Respect your elders, like what kid doesn't know he's out of line. Their not stupid as a rule.
Don't kill fathers in front of their family?
Walk away from a conflict situation?

There is no hope that the killers are right. Unless of course we are going to rewrite right and wrong to coddle violent killers because they're young.

Sorry everybody in Elmville. That young man wouldn't have killed 23 of your children and neighbours if they had just respected his right to- what?
You have no clue what it is you're defending. Get a grip it's murder.
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