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PatrickGHBusan
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Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| YBM ELS (at the bigger ones) had an interesting solution. Teachers with more tenure would do sub hours. They appealed to the teachers because they get paid but don't have to teach that hour generally. Director was happy because someone is on call to take a class from a sick teacher, or do interviews, or do whatever other tasks there might be. It wasn't perfect but I'd say 80% of cases were solved without incident. We had 25 or so teachers at the time, though. |
Good example. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| If the Busan board of education (or other large cities) wanted to hire a substitute foreigner they could. They could hire an F visa holder and send him to different locations each day. |
Again, most F-visa holders are not teachers. They do other jobs. Those that do teach likely have work they like and would not accept or be interested in being asked to sub all over the city as demand requires!
This was an interesting idea but sadly it is not feasible. |
I disagree it is feasible, just not practical for the F-visa holder.
Viciousdinosaur the money once again is only part of the problem. Let's say you live in Daejeon just like me. Tonight I am not feeling well. Tomorrow I am going to feel worse. I call my school and tell them. Lucky them they can try and find someone at 8:45 at night. You can legally fill in. So are you available to work tomorrow at 2:00p to 8:30p? Really are you able to fill in those hours tomorrow, with maybe a 50 percent chance of work the day after. Also, I need your answer by 10 o'clock tonight.
I am going to guess you have a regular job already. OK you are out of the question. Me as the hagwon owner now have maybe a couple of more of people who might help or fill in. Yet, like you most of them have other duties or can not fill the whole time. Thing is most hagwon do not have a little black book filled with temp teachers. Never mind some of them would move or work full time or just not care to do it.
That is a good case scenario, some schools are lucky to get a call an hour or two before class starts. The panic sets in worse then. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:37 am Post subject: |
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That is a good response skippy but I just find that it is not a realistic one considering the limitations on foreign teachers.
You can rule out E2s for substitute teaching as they need permission to work a second location and papers need to be filed for this. So perhaps, such a teacher could sub if he or she and his main employer is given a few days notice but that does not fix your "teacher calls in sick" issue, at least not the immediate need.
As for F-vsa people, I was on such a visa, I was working (for the last few years in Korea) for a University and there is no way I would have been available for substitute work at Hakwons or PS; especially not on a "can you sub tomorrow or this morning" basis!
The issue is that it is not like back here in Canada where available certified teachers are on a supply list and thereby available to sub. Here we are talking about local workers under no visa restrictions. In Korea you are talking of foreign workers (a limited number) on limited visas.
The only realistic solution I can see is what has been described a few times in this thread already: larger Hakwons having sufficient teaching staff to have people cover each other.
This is more of a visa restriction issue, limited pool of available teachers than a Hakwon is being cheap issue. No school or business would hire someone to be on paid standby! (not saying thats what you said skippy). |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Bigger hagwons used to be able to arrange subs within their own staff.
People agreed to cover for each other.
The sick teacher ususally has to cover all the costs.
That's why it's not too popular.
Places having only 1 or 2 Ft's would have a hard time with it for sure. |
True that did happen in the past at the larger schools. However, considering most FTs balk at working Saturdays on occasion (everyone can make their choices), I wonder how popular asking staff at larger schools to be available to cover other FTs classes as subs would be? |
Truth is no one likes to do cover for someone else when you already have a full slate of classes, but then again it's extra money and
who knows when you might need the same favour in return.
Not sure what working Saturdays has to do with anything?
This was also the way larger schools (if you can call them that) were able
to offer vacations. The teachers would cover for each other. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
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Bigger hagwons used to be able to arrange subs within their own staff.
People agreed to cover for each other.
The sick teacher ususally has to cover all the costs.
That's why it's not too popular.
Places having only 1 or 2 Ft's would have a hard time with it for sure. |
True that did happen in the past at the larger schools. However, considering most FTs balk at working Saturdays on occasion (everyone can make their choices), I wonder how popular asking staff at larger schools to be available to cover other FTs classes as subs would be? |
Truth is no one likes to do cover for someone else when you already have a full slate of classes, but then again it's extra money and
who knows when you might need the same favour in return.
Not sure what working Saturdays has to do with anything?This was also the way larger schools (if you can call them that) were able
to offer vacations. The teachers would cover for each other. |
The Saturday work comment had to do with the unwillingness of many foreign teachers to work on that day, even occasionally. So I assume that such reluctance would not vanish when said teachers would be asked to sub for someone who called in sick.
Just a thought anyway.
As for vacation time, that is another issue. |
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