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Zackback



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Cultural nuances Reply with quote

Anybody know of any cultures that it is acceptable to belch and break wind in public?
Growing up my family became friends with this other family from Italy (I don't know which part) and when they came over for dinner they would just burp loudly and think nothing of it.
I heard in China they don't really care about passing gas out loud in public. Is this true?
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yodanole



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of my American guy friends don't seem to mind. However, I don't regard them as the norm for American culture ( whatever that may be considered to consist of ).
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highstreet



Joined: 13 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know westerners that burp loudly in public. It's not cultural, they just never grew up I suppose
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

highstreet wrote:
I know westerners that burp loudly in public. It's not cultural, they just never grew up I suppose


Unfortunately westerners have shed a lot of their traditionally refined manners in recent decades. Mostly its down to the fact that the unrefined working class has mushroomed in size due to the welfare state.

Zackback wrote:
Anybody know of any cultures that it is acceptable to belch and break wind in public?


No. Korea has had an historic degree of isolation that is unrivalled in most other cultures. Hence they developed many behaviours here that are considered rude or unacceptable in the outside world. The government basically needs to promulgate a giant nationwide etiquette campaign.

Its an unfortunate legacy. Sadly they will remain oblivious until the language barrier gets brideged. Many Koreans have no idea how negatively their mannerisms are viewed by outsiders.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the middle-east, it is a good manner to burp after a meal. Haungarians belch after meals. Askennazy Jews loosen their belt. All are signs that the meal was good and the host or the cook has done a good job. As for Korea, passing gas (either way) was never Yangban-style. There are many humourous stories about newly-wed brides desperately avoiding flatulance before their in-laws.
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SpiralStaircase



Joined: 14 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I read this post the native Chinese teacher feels it necessary to hand out single slices of white bread for Chusok. She bought five loaves from the bakery across the street. She refuses to leave the bread on the communal �free food� table and insists on handing out each slice.

Death by lip-smacking.
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SMOE NSET



Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My best story about flatulence is at my wife's grandfather's funeral.

In Korea when a family member dies and is to be buried in a casket, the grieving family and friends watch as the morticians wrap the body and then put it in the casket. The immediate family and close relatives are then allowed to say their final good-byes over the body before it is closed.

I was standing there next to another older gentleman that I had never seen before. My wife's family were all crying and saying good-bye and I was standing behind them. When all of a sudden, the guy next to me rips a huge one and acts like nothing even happened.

You would think he could hold it in for a little bit out of respect. My wife's uncle and I both noticed but no one else. I told my wife about it later and she laughed pretty hard and just said, "Yep, typical old Korean man."
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heavymetalpancakes



Joined: 24 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highstreet wrote:
I know westerners that burp loudly in public. It's not cultural, they just never grew up I suppose


We would not get along.
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Gorf



Joined: 25 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
highstreet wrote:
I know westerners that burp loudly in public. It's not cultural, they just never grew up I suppose


Unfortunately westerners have shed a lot of their traditionally refined manners in recent decades. Mostly its down to the fact that the unrefined working class has mushroomed in size due to the welfare state.


As far as I'm concerned this statement is about a half step away from being blatantly racist. Being poor doesn't mean that you have bad manners and it's a moronic conclusion to draw, as if being rich has anything to do with being mannered.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gorf wrote:
Being poor doesn't mean that you have bad manners and it's a moronic conclusion to draw, as if being rich has anything to do with being mannered.


Its not a matter of being rich or poor, but a matter of class.

Previously the nobles and upper classes of Europe were distinguished by their gentlemanly and courtly behaviour. This is where traditions of chivalry and manners originated. Such behaviour served as a code by which the rich and powerful recognized their own, it was also something that all people aspired to in order to climb the social ladder.

It doesn't really have an equivalent in Asia.

Over the past century in Europe- with the rise of the welfare state- nd since the establishment of the culturally disconnected countries of the new world- these traditions have been lost.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farts are timeless comedy gold in the right situations, and toe-curlingly bad in other situations. Travelling in a car with your buddies is a good time to let one go, but nobody is going to laugh it off at a funeral.
I'm not sure about the Korean view on the fart game. I have been in situations where you would think it isn't the best time to cut the cheese, but people still let rip without a hint of embarrassment. Not just ajossi, but women in their twenties who clearly don't care who heard it.
Somebody needs to explain the fart protocol to me.
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NYC_Gal 2.0



Joined: 10 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
Gorf wrote:
Being poor doesn't mean that you have bad manners and it's a moronic conclusion to draw, as if being rich has anything to do with being mannered.


Its not a matter of being rich or poor, but a matter of class.

Previously the nobles and upper classes of Europe were distinguished by their gentlemanly and courtly behaviour. This is where traditions of chivalry and manners originated. Such behaviour served as a code by which the rich and powerful recognized their own, it was also something that all people aspired to in order to climb the social ladder.

It doesn't really have an equivalent in Asia.

Over the past century in Europe- with the rise of the welfare state- nd since the establishment of the culturally disconnected countries of the new world- these traditions have been lost.


It has nothing to do with any welfare state. It has to do with bad parenting. My family didn't have a lot of money when I was a child, and my mom didn't allow elbows on the table, chewing with one's mouth open, or the passing of gas in company.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:

It doesn't really have an equivalent in Asia.


Right, because Asian societies, particularly those deeply influenced by Confucianism, were never hierarchical nor governed by strict social conventions.


Rolling Eyes
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
confucianism, were never hierarchical nor governed by strict social conventions.


Western behaviour is basically aimed at preventing fights. It makes others feel comfortable, it forestalls arguments, it shows consideration. It demonstrates higher ideals, higher living. It developed out of multiculturalism. Every country in europe has neighbours, it is comprised of diversity. People had to get along with strangers.

Confucian behaviour however grew out of a closed system. It is designed to demonstrate higher social status and enforce heirarchy...by deliberately not showing consideration for others.

Thats why people bump into eachother the whole time. They're all imagining they're superior to everyone else. The traditional structure has gone, the sense of entitlement remains.
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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
confucianism, were never hierarchical nor governed by strict social conventions.


Western behaviour is basically aimed at preventing fights. It makes others feel comfortable, it forestalls arguments, it shows consideration. It demonstrates higher ideals, higher living. It developed out of multiculturalism. Every country in europe has neighbours, it is comprised of diversity. People had to get along with strangers.

Confucian behaviour however grew out of a closed system. It is designed to demonstrate higher social status and enforce heirarchy...by deliberately not showing consideration for others.

Thats why people bump into eachother the whole time. They're all imagining they're superior to everyone else. The traditional structure has gone, the sense of entitlement remains.


You're just making stuff up.

PS. The reason people bump into you is probably because you live in Seoul, one of the most densely populated countries in the world. Nobody bumps into me where I live.
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