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Recruiter recommendations? (gyopo having a hard time!)
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

staygold wrote:
VD - I'm exempted from military service. Thanks for asking. Smile Since I was born and raised overseas, I just had to fill out some forms.

Skippy wrote:
PRagic wrote:
I used to have a cut and paste resonse to throw up on threads like this. Need to find that again.


I have been thinking of doing that. Mine will just include the hundred or so similar questions asked before.

Sorry. I thought I'd try asking anyway for some recruiter recommendations. A lot of them advertise gyopo jobs, but many want people who are already in Korea and don't offer housing.

But yeah, like I said, things are kinda looking up.


Good to hear.
Well I can be a negative Nancy at times. Still the question comes up often, in one form or another.

You can be given a whole bunch of numbers and links, but still in the end it might not matter much. What you need to wrap your head around is the nature of recruiters. There should be a manual of the usage of them. Maybe a separate version for Korean Americans. You think things would work logically but they don't.

A question? You say you have a TESOL certificate. Do you have a degree? If you have no degree, your value is reduce, never mind that you can not teach legally at a hagwon. Plus you need a CRC too.

One piece of advice is check Facebook. Find all the local/city groups and check them out. Things pop up there often. Recruiters can be regional at times.

One more idea came to me. If you speak Korean, have you checked out Korean Internet. Not all Koreans use Facebook or eslcafe. There must be other Korean based pages for jobs and listings.
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staygold



Joined: 18 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course I have a degree! Laughing And I have all my docs ready, including the CRC. I've also checked out a bunch of Korean job portals, but most of them don't offer housing (very crucial). And yes, I'm quickly learning how illogical things are with recruiters. I'm sure this is just the beginning of things to come.

Thanks for the advice, everyone.
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CPJ



Joined: 30 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Pay no attention to the hate on this site or any other site.

2. It all depends on what type of job you are wanting. 90% of the schools in Korea will not hire a gyopo. They will only hire a white face.

3. The rest of the schools do not care as much. These jobs are pretty much the same as the rest. These jobs will prefer that you can't speak Korean.

4. Some schools and companies only want to hire gyopos. Some of these jobs are way better than the usual hagwon. These usually require you to speak some Korean.


So just keep on applying! And apply everywhere!

In Korea, finding a great job has more to do with timing than qualifications.


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ethanshin



Joined: 28 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

viciousdinosaur wrote:
teedram wrote:
VD - what is your problem? If you can't answer someone's question, just refrain from posting.

@ the OP - keep trying. The job market has many applicants these days - more than ever. You're right that it may help to open up to more places in Korea, at least other cities. I do know a gyopo who got placed in a smaller city right next to Seoul and lives close to a subway station. Same as you - TESOL and no prior experience. So it's possible.

Korearecruiting.com ~ if you haven't tried this agency, you may want to contact the recruiter by e-mail. I've talked to him and he's great, very helpful even after getting my job (and I didn't get it through him).


what's YOUR problem? You scold me and then give him the exact same advice. Except I'm giving him the cold-hard facts in an attempt to save him from wasting a year of his life waiting around for a job. Will he find a job? Yeah, sure, someday. But every week you aren't working is a week you are losing money.


I know two gypos who got hired within the last 6 months without a degree and just F-4 visas. One is working in Seoul and the other is working in Busan. So, I don't know what you are talking about LOL

Why is teaching English in Korea pathetic if it's someone's primary objective? Some people like going to other places while getting teaching experience before they teach back home.

You say that what your saying is "cold-hard facts" but the truth is... it ain't. Your advice is coalesced with some sort of bitterness towards something, which I can't figure out what.
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viciousdinosaur



Joined: 30 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ethanshin wrote:


I know two gypos who got hired within the last 6 months without a degree and just F-4 visas.


So you think telling someone to come here and work illegally is good advice? You know I know some good ways to make money too. Grow and sell pot in the United States. Steal people's credit card information and make fraudulent purchases. Help crime lords launder money out the country. Etc...etc...

I'm sorry if I have higher standards. I'm sorry if I give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they want a legit job and not some gig at a rinky-dink hagwon that is willing to break the law and hire unqualified teachers.
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CPJ



Joined: 30 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have an F visa, then it all depends on the school.
If it is a full time job, then they will probably have to register you so you need a degree.
If it is a part time job, then the school is probably not going to register you. Why would they file the papers and waste the time when dealing with a part time teacher that could be gone in a week? So in this case, you could probably work without a degree??

This is teaching English in Korea. Very few here are trying to make a career of it in Korea. For most, it's just a short term cash job, like tree planting during the spring or picking fruit. Most places pay you cash and do not file paperwork.

And what difference does this really make? I don't see the comparison to stealing credit card info?
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BackHOME



Joined: 09 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sad thing is that there are idiots here that accept retarded contracts.

The private market is a disaster too. These idiots run around getting 25 an hour. They drive the market down. It is usually the same idiots that accept the retarded contract at their hagwon that are in desperation to accept another retarded contract for 25/hr. Korea is not the heaven that is was in the past. The market has been hit.

Korea doesn't want gyopos. They want whitey because they think whitey is a better teacher and true native speaker. But it makes sense. If I wanted my son or daughter to learn Korean, would I hire a white person to teach them Korean? Just some food for thought.

Teaching is fun and so is Korea. Come for the experience. But know that 2.1-2.3 working 8 classes a day is not an easy gig. Especially for a gyopo, you might be tied to a shitty work schedule.

For the person that said, just get some privates.... that is not how it works. You can't just "get some privates". Especially as gyopo. You have to network. And even then, it is hard to get great money.

Good luck brother... You have to really know what you are getting yourself in to. Come for the experience, not the job.
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mrmarsit



Joined: 25 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:51 pm    Post subject: same here Reply with quote

I've blanketed Skorea n only got a few responses.
On the other side I've gotten several interview for japan but no offers.

I think it might be experience first then a few other issues 2nd
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staygold



Joined: 18 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BackHOME wrote:
Korea doesn't want gyopos. They want whitey because they think whitey is a better teacher and true native speaker. But it makes sense. If I wanted my son or daughter to learn Korean, would I hire a white person to teach them Korean? Just some food for thought.

Yeah, I understand that Koreans want teachers who look like native speakers. The concept of Asian-Americans is still a bit difficult for many to understand.

Thanks for the advice and warm messages everyone. Laughing
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been applying since last Spring and was contacted by only 1 recruiter to be offered a triple split job for 2.2m a month teaching 4 to 6 hours adults and 2 hours elementary 5 days a week. I turned that one offer down as I was fearful it would only lead to bad things to come and really didn't want it that ridiculously exhausting. It's gotten extremely tight this year as it seems few are actually hiring right now. They are simply ignoring us middle aged guys these days as there must be a glut of fresh college grads seeking a job. Back home in Arkansas, it's so tight that finding an $8 hour part time job is very difficult to impossible. These are indeed becoming very bad economic times with no end in sight. Keep plugging away with every advert you find...
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amoonbot



Joined: 29 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you graduated from a top-tier (top 50) U.S. university, give SAT hagwons a shot. They pay well enough that you don't need them to cover your housing (usually over 3.5 million a month).
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[email protected]



Joined: 26 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
I've been applying since last Spring and was contacted by only 1 recruiter to be offered a triple split job for 2.2m a month teaching 4 to 6 hours adults and 2 hours elementary 5 days a week. I turned that one offer down as I was fearful it would only lead to bad things to come and really didn't want it that ridiculously exhausting. It's gotten extremely tight this year as it seems few are actually hiring right now. They are simply ignoring us middle aged guys these days as there must be a glut of fresh college grads seeking a job. Back home in Arkansas, it's so tight that finding an $8 hour part time job is very difficult to impossible. These are indeed becoming very bad economic times with no end in sight. Keep plugging away with every advert you find...


You and me both. Have all my documentation ready. Even took a trip to Korea a few years ago to visit a friend teaching there. Heard there was some budget cuts over the last few months. I might wait till Spring to see if anything comes up. I get a few initial contacts by recruiters but then it goes cold.
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