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s.tickbeat · Joined: 21 Feb 2010 Location: Gimhae

@ Patrick: Not paying your teachers IS cheating crookery. The difference is intent, I think. Like 'wow, I sure wish I didn't feel like I have to do this or lose everything' vs. 'oh shit, I get to squeeze another young, foreign idiot YIPPEE.' The first example is a person who resorts to cheating crookery, the second is a cheat and a crook. If that makes any sense.

Not paying your employees is just obscene. Why ANYONE in Korea puts up with it is beyond me; it might force employers to make more responsible business decisions and/or get out while they still can.

some waygug-in · Joined: 25 Jan 2003

Patrick wrote:

My point: unless you know the ins and outs of a business, it is rash to judge a manager as a cheat or a crook. If their business is failing and with it their livelyhood and family income, they will make financial decisions that will hurt others. In this case it was delaying or not paying teachers. That is wrong and I for one would have quit over it.
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Well then, please tell me where I called anyone a cheat or crook.

I said the school has bad management.

I said the school has no money.

both of which seem easy to deduce from the OP's posts.

I've seen this more times than I care to recollect.

Managers who are just too lazy to do their homework, or worse

managers who have no clue what they are doing.

Whether or not this particular manager was willfully dishonest or not,

the results for the teachers are the same.

PatrickGHBusan · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:52 am Post subject:

PatrickGHBusan · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:54 am Post subject:

[quote="some waygug-in"]Patrick wrote:

My point: unless you know the ins and outs of a business, it is rash to judge a manager as a cheat or a crook. If their business is failing and with it their livelyhood and family income, they will make financial decisions that will hurt others. In this case it was delaying or not paying teachers. That is wrong and I for one would have quit over it.

some waygug-in · Joined: 25 Jan 2003

So why did you say that I was judging them unfairly?

How so?

PatrickGHBusan · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:09 am Post subject:

Because you took this one episode and applied it to managers in general and because we have limited (as usual) facts and information about this particular employer.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree on this one. I am glad the OP left the job since he was not getting paid and was not going to get paid.

some waygug-in · Joined: 25 Jan 2003

Los Angeloser · Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Location: Korea

The OP ain't even going to go to the labor ministry and file a complaint, tell me why there is 7 pages? I didn't even read your letter to your boss, what did it prove when you ain't even gonna file a complaint at the labor ministry? Actually, the letter was probably ill advised if you were to go to the labor ministry. All that time you spent writing it could have been used on finding out which labor ministry to go and heck, you might even give the labor ministry a call. Rolling Eyes

PatrickGHBusan · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:08 am Post subject:

some waygug-in · Joined: 25 Jan 2003

Accepted.

And I apologize for my initial reaction to your post.