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Dave Chance
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During the Joseon period as many as 30% of the population were made slaves by the ruling yangban.
A yangban could (students have told me 'had the right to') kill a commoner if they felt so inclined.
The Joseon period came to an end at the beginning of the 20th c. |
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mike1two
Joined: 20 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Asians, some of whom had civilizations for 5,000 years never colonized or enslaved another people to "civilize" them. |
Ah, I think you need to look deeper into Asian history. Japan tried to wipe Korea off the map some 70 years ago. And don't forget that tons of people were 'absorbed' into other Asian cultures throughout the last 2000 years. The Chinese with the countless number of minorities, who mostly have lost their languages, and the Vietnamese with the Khmers in southern Vietnam just a few hundred years ago. And what the Chinese are trying to do with Tibet now. |
You've got to be kidding if you think these examples, which are erroneous anyway, are analogous to european colonization and slavery. And you forget that Japan took its ideas of colonization (along with clothing and weaponry, bought by loans from western countries) from the western world. they were doing what they thought they were supposed to be doing. Just look at their allies during WWII. and most japanese are descendants from people from the korean peninsula. their emperors are mixed with koreans. so it's not because of race. What China has done is because of land, not race. Even then, not near to the atrocities of european colonization and slavery. |
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mike1two
Joined: 20 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Chance wrote: |
During the Joseon period as many as 30% of the population were made slaves by the ruling yangban.
A yangban could (students have told me 'had the right to') kill a commoner if they felt so inclined.
The Joseon period came to an end at the beginning of the 20th c. |
classist, not racist. |
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mike1two
Joined: 20 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans are known to be racist, right? Have you heard of one single murder or act of violence in Korea because of racism? No. How about America? About every day. Koreans hate the Japanese? The Japanese are still visiting Korea and leaving without incident. What's the explanation? |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
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| Asians, some of whom had civilizations for 5,000 years never colonized or enslaved another people to "civilize" them. |
Ah, I think you need to look deeper into Asian history. Japan tried to wipe Korea off the map some 70 years ago. And don't forget that tons of people were 'absorbed' into other Asian cultures throughout the last 2000 years. The Chinese with the countless number of minorities, who mostly have lost their languages, and the Vietnamese with the Khmers in southern Vietnam just a few hundred years ago. And what the Chinese are trying to do with Tibet now. |
You've got to be kidding if you think these examples, which are erroneous anyway, are analogous to european colonization and slavery. And you forget that Japan took its ideas of colonization (along with clothing and weaponry, bought by loans from western countries) from the western world. they were doing what they thought they were supposed to be doing. Just look at their allies during WWII. and most japanese are descendants from people from the korean peninsula. their emperors are mixed with koreans. so it's not because of race. What China has done is because of land, not race. Even then, not near to the atrocities of european colonization and slavery. |
Wow, I don't even know where to start with you.
So you're basically saying that continental colonialization (i.e. Japanese over the Koreans, Mandarin Chinese over the Tibetans, Hindus over the Kashmiris) is only about land and not about race or a percieved idea that one culture is superior over another?
But global colonialization is?
You're not only clueless, but have a very selective view on how you see things.
I don't even know why I'm wasting my time correcting you.
And then you go on to say that the brutal Japanese occupation of East Asia South-East Asia was the Europeans fault!
Furthermore, you stated that the Japanese had no racial motive for their own colonialization? What?
Let me guess, you're a Korean-American who frrequents Korean-Sentry, right? |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans are known to be racist, right? Have you heard of one single murder or act of violence in Korea because of racism? |
1% of the population is foreign in this country.
It's called demographics moron.
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| No. How about America? About every day. |
Every day. Really?
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| Koreans hate the Japanese? The Japanese are still visiting Korea and leaving without incident. What's the explanation? |
And Jews still live in Germany. What's your point?
Furthermore I've been to the Ukraine, Mexico and India and the resentment towards Russia, Spain and England respectively is nothing compared to what I see in the Korean media and even school system here in South Korea towards the Japanese. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| mike1two wrote: |
| Koreans are known to be racist, right? Have you heard of one single murder or act of violence in Korea because of racism? No. How about America? About every day. Koreans hate the Japanese? The Japanese are still visiting Korea and leaving without incident. What's the explanation? |
In fact, yes.
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As many of you might have read in the newspapers, my companion Ms Jisun Han and I were subjected to severe racist abuse, which almost turned into a physical altercation. It was on 10 July while travelling in a public bus, when suddenly a Korean man identified as Mr Park, 41, dressed in suit and tie started yelling at me by shouting, �Dirty! You dirty son of a bitch�, �Where are you from you stinky bastard�. Then he started shouting, �You Arab! You Arab�, �You must be an Arab�. It is noteworthy that Mr. Park was sitting at least two metres away. If at all I smelled, I must have smelled strongly and extremely bad for him to smell me from two metres away.
When Ms. Han confronted Mr. Park to ask why he was behaving like this, he didn�t spare her. He shouted her down by saying, �Who are you? Aren�t you a Jocheon[1] bitch?� Mr. Park further shouted at her, �You Jocheon bitch, does it feel good to date a black bastard? Then in fact Mr Park kicked Ms Han. |
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| After the media reported about Ms Han�s and my story, I have been getting mixed responses from various sections of Korean society. Everyday many strangers come up to me on the streets and they talk to me, apologise, sometimes buy me coffee. It is a good feeling. But, on the other hand, there is a dark side to all this. Such is the hatred towards migrants in Korea that I have been getting �threatening calls� in my office phone; the internet is full of abuse against me. In fact, on the night of 10 September, one Korean youth tried to physically assault me but he failed to do so. Since that night, I don�t feel safe anymore to walk on the streets at night. I get paranoid that someone might recognise me and that person might not like what I have been doing regarding racism in Korea. It is as if the nights have been snatched away from me. |
http://aliran.com/1091.html
And do you really think that there is no racism in Korea? Well, I can only infer that is what you think based on your posts. I wonder if you would tell Hines Ward (he is half-Korea) that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8VW4HJ8rYA |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| Koreans are known to be racist, right? Have you heard of one single murder or act of violence in Korea because of racism? No. How about America? About every day. Koreans hate the Japanese? The Japanese are still visiting Korea and leaving without incident. What's the explanation? |
Speaking of murder, the answer to that question would also be yes.
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| When interrogated, the attacker said that he murdered Scott because he didn't want Americans in Korea teaching Korean children. It was also noted that he said foreigners should not be allowed to hold jobs here while many Koreans are unemployed. |
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2009/05/murder-of-english-teacher-11-years-ago.html |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
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| Asians, some of whom had civilizations for 5,000 years never colonized or enslaved another people to "civilize" them. |
Ah, I think you need to look deeper into Asian history. |
Why? Everything was just peachy until you-know-who invented racism and exported it there, and everywhere else.
Before that, the concept didn't even exist and everyone was just smiling and waving at each other peacefully from behind their magically drawn borders that had been there since the beginning of time.
Then you-know-who came along, NOT for resources or trade or even land, but just to screw everything up because they simply didn't like people who were different colors from them, and they were ready to travel across the world JUST for that.
Before that, differences between people (particularly ethnic) didn't matter AT ALL and everyone magically accepted and respected everyone completely.
Maybe on rare occasions they had a minor squabble about land and ONLY the land, but apologized profusely and gave the land back once the dispute was settled, because at that time people were all just happy equal brothers who loved each other until you-know-who came along and spread their novel idea of racism, which others somehow copied and applied, but only AFTER they had somehow learned it from you-know-who, either directly or indirectly.
And back to the concert, it was ONLY you-know-who who thought about or mentioned Gangnam Style or the dance. No other person from any other ethnic group even remotely thought of it at all, nor would they have EVER made the connection because they are hard-wired for complete tolerance and understanding and respect... unless they become tainted from ideas from you-know-who. |
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mike1two
Joined: 20 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| mike1two wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| mike1two wrote: |
| Asians, some of whom had civilizations for 5,000 years never colonized or enslaved another people to "civilize" them. |
Ah, I think you need to look deeper into Asian history. Japan tried to wipe Korea off the map some 70 years ago. And don't forget that tons of people were 'absorbed' into other Asian cultures throughout the last 2000 years. The Chinese with the countless number of minorities, who mostly have lost their languages, and the Vietnamese with the Khmers in southern Vietnam just a few hundred years ago. And what the Chinese are trying to do with Tibet now. |
You've got to be kidding if you think these examples, which are erroneous anyway, are analogous to european colonization and slavery. And you forget that Japan took its ideas of colonization (along with clothing and weaponry, bought by loans from western countries) from the western world. they were doing what they thought they were supposed to be doing. Just look at their allies during WWII. and most japanese are descendants from people from the korean peninsula. their emperors are mixed with koreans. so it's not because of race. What China has done is because of land, not race. Even then, not near to the atrocities of european colonization and slavery. |
Wow, I don't even know where to start with you.
So you're basically saying that continental colonialization (i.e. Japanese over the Koreans, Mandarin Chinese over the Tibetans, Hindus over the Kashmiris) is only about land and not about race or a percieved idea that one culture is superior over another?
But global colonialization is?
You're not only clueless, but have a very selective view on how you see things.
I don't even know why I'm wasting my time correcting you.
And then you go on to say that the brutal Japanese occupation of East Asia South-East Asia was the Europeans fault!
Furthermore, you stated that the Japanese had no racial motive for their own colonialization? What?
Let me guess, you're a Korean-American who frrequents Korean-Sentry, right? |
if you're gonna argue a point, at least educate yourself beforehand. |
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mike1two
Joined: 20 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| mike1two wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| mike1two wrote: |
| Asians, some of whom had civilizations for 5,000 years never colonized or enslaved another people to "civilize" them. |
Ah, I think you need to look deeper into Asian history. Japan tried to wipe Korea off the map some 70 years ago. And don't forget that tons of people were 'absorbed' into other Asian cultures throughout the last 2000 years. The Chinese with the countless number of minorities, who mostly have lost their languages, and the Vietnamese with the Khmers in southern Vietnam just a few hundred years ago. And what the Chinese are trying to do with Tibet now. |
You've got to be kidding if you think these examples, which are erroneous anyway, are analogous to european colonization and slavery. And you forget that Japan took its ideas of colonization (along with clothing and weaponry, bought by loans from western countries) from the western world. they were doing what they thought they were supposed to be doing. Just look at their allies during WWII. and most japanese are descendants from people from the korean peninsula. their emperors are mixed with koreans. so it's not because of race. What China has done is because of land, not race. Even then, not near to the atrocities of european colonization and slavery. |
Wow, I don't even know where to start with you.
So you're basically saying that continental colonialization (i.e. Japanese over the Koreans, Mandarin Chinese over the Tibetans, Hindus over the Kashmiris) is only about land and not about race or a percieved idea that one culture is superior over another?
But global colonialization is?
You're not only clueless, but have a very selective view on how you see things.
I don't even know why I'm wasting my time correcting you.
And then you go on to say that the brutal Japanese occupation of East Asia South-East Asia was the Europeans fault!
Furthermore, you stated that the Japanese had no racial motive for their own colonialization? What?
Let me guess, you're a Korean-American who frrequents Korean-Sentry, right? |
if you're gonna argue a point, at least educate yourself beforehand. |
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mike1two
Joined: 20 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| mike1two wrote: |
| Koreans are known to be racist, right? Have you heard of one single murder or act of violence in Korea because of racism? |
1% of the population is foreign in this country.
It's called demographics moron.
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| No. How about America? About every day. |
Every day. Really?
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| Koreans hate the Japanese? The Japanese are still visiting Korea and leaving without incident. What's the explanation? |
And Jews still live in Germany. What's your point?
Furthermore I've been to the Ukraine, Mexico and India and the resentment towards Russia, Spain and England respectively is nothing compared to what I see in the Korean media and even school system here in South Korea towards the Japanese. |
what's your point about demographics? the real reason you don't see these race based crime stats is because, though they shout without abandon, koreans are actually non-violent. the crime rate, regardless of the cause, is very low in korea as you probably know.
do you want me to send you the articles of race based crime in america on a daily basis? look it up yourself.
the most hated race of people coming into your country and leaving unscratched? what's my point?? let me put it this way. what happened to people perceived to be muslim, even turban wearing sikhs, directly after 911? |
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mike1two
Joined: 20 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| and nobody answered my question. has anybody seen a korean heckler in any audience in any event? is it just a "you know who" thing? |
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cj1976
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| There's nothing I love better than a good game of "Who's More Racist?". |
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