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Dave Chance
Joined: 30 May 2011
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Gorf wrote:
Also, Elvis had pure, unmatched talent. He had a lot of respect for R&B and anyone who says that he just copied Black music is incredibly short-sighted and a moron.
Thanks for calling me a moron, man. That's totally appropriate for the magnitude of this argument. I love you too. |
U probably got knocked for calling the King a 'poser' |
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meangradin

Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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As a former apostle of Mode, I feel compelled to chime in here:
DM did achieve success on the rolling stone/billboard charts as "Violator" reached #2 and "Songs of Faith and Devotion" reached #1 (if my memory is correct).
Also, DM dominated the 12 inch singles chart. I read somewhere that they have sold over 100 million albums (close to the same number U2 sold), but the majority of which were 12 inch singles (which sold for close to the same price of a regular album) - in fact, they had this annoying habit of releasing 3-5 different 12 inch singles for the same song which prompted UK lawmakers to limit how many records a band could release for the same song remixed numerous ways.
Love them or hate them, but you can't deny they were a major force in music for 2 decades. |
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Mr. BlackCat

Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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I was very much around for the 80s, and I remember all about how big MJ was back then. So big, in fact, that his fame propelled otherwise unmemorable songs (like the ones I mentioned) to the top of the chart. The record for most #1s off one album wasn't held by "Thriller" -- it was held by "Bad," a.k.a. the disappointing follow-up. And I defy anyone but the biggest chart nerds to name all of them without looking them up.
I certainly wouldn't argue Katy Perry has done anything in the same corner of the galaxy as "Thriller." She's not a trailblazer, she's not very talented at all. But I feel fairly certain that the people who actually listen to today's pop music, especially the ones growing up with it, will absolutely remember songs like "California Gurls" and "Firework" in 20 years. |
Bad was only a disappointing follow-up to the best selling album of all time. No doubt Thriller propelled its sales, but that alone doesn't explain why it's the #5 best selling album of all time. Yeah, maybe those singles you listed aren't his best work, but I don't believe Perry's 5 singles are in any way distinguishable from what any other cartoon character pop princess is currently doing. Not only do I doubt that they will endure, I doubt people will even remember who sang those songs in 20 years (maybe Teenage Dream and/or one other can be an exception). Perry made mindless pop at a time when that is dominating the charts. MJ forced 'black music' into the forefront of pop culture while hair metal was big. There is no doubt in anyone's mind who sang Dirty Diana or any other of his songs.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, yes I agree Perry's songs were massive. But so were Lady Gaga's, Nikki Minaj's, Rhinna's, and the rest of the pop princess clown parade. They're already so interchangeable that they have to wear pink wigs and meat dresses just to help us tell them apart. No one ever confused MJ for anyone else, not even Prince. To quote the NY Times at the time, "In the world of pop music, there is Michael Jackson and there is everybody else."
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Let's meet up again in 20 years and see what happened. The soylent green is on me. |
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KimchiNinja

Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well yeah, as soon as we talk about "popular music" then of course it's going to be mostly crap.
People in groups aren't smart. You take individually smart people, and put them into a group, oversocialize them, and they come out liking Lady GaGaGa or whatever. They like what they think other people like, so pop creations grow like a virus, started by some heavy marketing by some rich kids. One day the virus dies off and the over-socialized herd wakes up and says HOW THE HECK DID WE LIKE THAT??. Did they put drugs in our Cherios?
And then the cycle repeats, this time with PSY and 30 billion Youtube hits, and people talking about it because other people are talking about it, etc.
But there's always good music for people who like music for music. |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| For what it's worth, Breakbot just dropped his latest album and it's a real winner. Best music in my opinion, in some years. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: La Florida
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| #9 may be disapointing to some ( I really like Tom Petty and Johnny Cash, I would have to Google Pearl Jam to find out who they are ), but I certainly don't perceive it as surprising. |
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