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ajosshi
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: SK scrambles F-15s to intercept Japanese helo near Dokdo |
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SK scrambles F-15s to intercept Japanese helo near Dokdo
MSDF chopper flying near disputed islets prompted military response
SEOUL � A Maritime Self-Defense Force helicopter flew close on Sept. 21 to the South Korean-controlled islets claimed by Japan, prompting South Korea to mobilize fighter jets, according to TV broadcaster KBS.
The chopper left the area after being warned away by the South Korean military, KBS reported Thursday.
The MSDF confirmed Friday that one of its helicopters entered the area while conducting a takeoff and landing drill on a destroyer positioned some 50 km east of the disputed islets in the Sea of Japan known as Takeshima in Japan and Dokdo in South Korea.
Defense Minister Satoshi Morimoto also said Friday that he saw no problems with the drill under international law because the incident occurred on the high seas.
KBS reported that in the early evening of Sept. 21, after the MSDF destroyer Ariake had approached a point 54 km from the disputed islets, a helicopter took off from the vessel and entered without authorization what Seoul considers to be the "Korea Air Defense Identification Zone."
South Korea insists that foreign airplanes and ships get approval from its military before entering the zone, which was designated by the commander of the U.S. Pacific Air Force Command in 1951 to prevent air clashes between nations surrounding the Korean Peninsula.
After four South Korean F-15K fighters reached the scene and Japan was warned through a hot line that the helicopter was violating South Korean airspace, the chopper reversed direction but remained in the zone for an additional five minutes, KBS said, citing documents submitted by the South Koream Defense Ministry to a parliamentary committee on defense.
Morimoto said the chopper "didn't approach the Takeshima Islands" and there was no warning issued by the South Korean fighters, though Seoul did inquire about the purpose of the helicopter movement.
He said no protest was lodged through diplomatic channels.
According to the MSDF, a South Korean P-3C patrol aircraft made radio contact with the Ariake for confirmation of intension and the destroyer responded that it was undertaking a drill and would head north. The chopper drill continued after the radio contact, it said.
The MSDF said the takeoff and landing maneuver aboard the vessel continued for about an hour from 6 p.m. . The destroyer was on its way from the Sasebo naval base in Nagasaki Prefecture to the Vladivostok area for a joint search and rescue drill with Russia, it said.
South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted a military source as saying that besides the F-15K fighter jets, the South Korean military also dispatched a destroyer to the area.
"The Japanese destroyer moved back to its planned route after communication with our side," the source was quoted as saying, adding that it told South Korea's military it "was sailing toward Vladivostok for a training mission and had no hostile intention."
The South Korean Defense Ministry documents also cited an intrusion by a Japan Coast Guard chopper into South Korea's air defense zone close to the disputed islets in May.
Japan has been flying a coast guard helicopter once or twice every year in a demonstration of force, according to the documents.
Japan blasts media tour
Kyodo
The government has filed a protest with Seoul for allowing foreign media organizations to visit the South Korean-controlled islands claimed by Japan, Foreign Minister Koichiro Genba said Friday.
"We've already lodged a protest because the move is inconsistent with our country's position," Genba said.
Japan regards the two Sea of Japan islets, called Takeshima in Japan and Dokdo in South Korea, as an inherent part of its territory.
The protest was lodged by the Japanese Embassy with the South Korean Foreign Ministry on Thursday, officials said.
By letting crews from overseas media outlets including CNN and the BBC to land on the islets Thursday, South Korea apparently sought to promote its claims to the outcroppings.
Bilateral ties have worsened since Lee Myung Bak became in August the first South Korean president to visit the islets.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20121006a3.html |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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"The Japanese destroyer moved back to its planned route after communication with our side," the source was quoted as saying, adding that it told South Korea's military it "was sailing toward Vladivostok for a training mission and had no hostile intention." |
Japan seems itching to start a war. I wonder what would Russians do if they tried this near Russian soil. They'll probably blow'em out of the water before trying to communicate with Japanese. |
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Drew10
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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4 jet fighters and a destroyer navy ship?
Ridiculous. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:38 am Post subject: |
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newb wrote: |
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"The Japanese destroyer moved back to its planned route after communication with our side," the source was quoted as saying, adding that it told South Korea's military it "was sailing toward Vladivostok for a training mission and had no hostile intention." |
Japan seems itching to start a war. I wonder what would Russians do if they tried this near Russian soil. They'll probably blow'em out of the water before trying to communicate with Japanese. |
Why don't the Japanese just back off untill this whole thing is settled by international arbitration. This island is a piece of rock in the ocean. Is there going to be a war over this? |
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visitorq
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Sensationalist claptrap. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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newb wrote: |
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"The Japanese destroyer moved back to its planned route after communication with our side," the source was quoted as saying, adding that it told South Korea's military it "was sailing toward Vladivostok for a training mission and had no hostile intention." |
Japan seems itching to start a war. I wonder what would Russians do if they tried this near Russian soil. They'll probably blow'em out of the water before trying to communicate with Japanese. |
Sending a freaking helicopter into an ill-defined hotspot is itching for war? Poor judgement perhaps, but it is not exactly an intimidating move nor one that signals an interest in being militarily agressive. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Location: Kyungbuk
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Korea will respond with an overwhelming show of force to demonstrate to any trespassers the seriousness of their violation of Korean sovereignty.
What they were tolerant of before will not be allowed any longer. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Zackback wrote: |
Korea will respond with an overwhelming show of force to demonstrate to any trespassers the seriousness of their violation of Korean sovereignty.
What they were tolerant of before will not be allowed any longer. |
Yeah right...
Korea doesn't have an "overwhelming show of force" to demonstrate. If it ever came down to a military showdown (which it won't), Japan would win. But sabre rattling sure is fun, I guess... |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012 Location: We Are The World!
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Are there any elections coming up? If Argentina can make the idiots in its population excited just before an election there's no reason Japan can't. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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JustinC wrote: |
Are there any elections coming up? If Argentina can make the idiots in its population excited just before an election there's no reason Japan can't. |
Obviously there are in the ROK. No elections have been set in Japan yet, but there are rumors they will be called in the near future. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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visitorq wrote: |
Zackback wrote: |
Korea will respond with an overwhelming show of force to demonstrate to any trespassers the seriousness of their violation of Korean sovereignty.
What they were tolerant of before will not be allowed any longer. |
Yeah right...
Korea doesn't have an "overwhelming show of force" to demonstrate. If it ever came down to a military showdown (which it won't), Japan would win. But sabre rattling sure is fun, I guess... |
It would probably go like the Falklands. One side would win control, but the other side could probably save face by knocking out a couple of ships. I'd put money on Japan, but all it would take is a few AS missiles getting through and the whole thing rapidly changes.
The big problem with the Koreans is that they couldn't concentrate their forces against Japan, whereas Japan could concentrate against Korea, and with Japan already having marginal numerical superiority in aircraft and naval vessels, that failure to concentrate could prove decisive.
If the Koreans decided on a 21st century Jeune Ecole approach and just fire off a bunch of missiles at Japanese ships and not get drawn into some large-scale battle, they could make things bitter for the Japanese. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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visitorq wrote: |
Korea doesn't have an "overwhelming show of force" to demonstrate. If it ever came down to a military showdown (which it won't), Japan would win. |
Japan's cushy kids are more spoiled than Koreans. I'd say Korea would win it hands-down. |
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visitorq
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
The big problem with the Koreans is that they couldn't concentrate their forces against Japan, whereas Japan could concentrate against Korea, and with Japan already having marginal numerical superiority in aircraft and naval vessels, that failure to concentrate could prove decisive. |
I'm pretty sure it's more than "marginal".
Anyway, Japan is a far larger and more powerful country than Korea. Like by a factor of 5. The idea that Korea has a military option against Japan (esp. in the long term, if Japan were to start viewing Korea as an actual threat) is silly. |
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visitorq
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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jvalmer wrote: |
visitorq wrote: |
Korea doesn't have an "overwhelming show of force" to demonstrate. If it ever came down to a military showdown (which it won't), Japan would win. |
Japan's cushy kids are more spoiled than Koreans. I'd say Korea would win it hands-down. |
That's assuming this made-up "cushiness" factor could overcome the simple fact that Japan's navy outclasses Korea's in pretty much every way and is better funded by an order of magnitude. But hey... |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:34 am Post subject: |
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I do believe Japan has the 2nd largest navy in the world. How big is Korea's? I doubt it is even close to the same size. |
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