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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
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As much as I liked the mayor, I think he's way over the line on this one. Costco seriously does more good for the community than pretty much Home Plus, Emart and Lotte Mart combined. The employees are paid good wages ( ~8k won an hour.....MUCH better than the other guys). ALL Costco employees are hired as permanent (regular) employees instead of some kind of contract or through some kind of an outsourcing company. They sell products for cheap (on a per-unit basis anyway). And most importantly, it's not just local consumers who shop there. There are tons of BUSINESS OWNERS who shop there too.
Plus closing Costco so that traditional markets don't go bust is ridiculous. Costco shoppers don't shop at traditional markets, and vice versa. And sometimes Costco SUPPLIES traditional market stalls.
That said, I'm going to Costco tomorrow, if only for the hot dog and churros. |
Do you work for Costco? |
No. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I think many of you are missing the point. Costco is willfully breaking the law and laughing at the fine imposed on them. Breaking the law and being disrespectful to authority isn't going to result in anything good. |
What law are they breaking? The law forcing the stores to close was overturned (for now I'm assuming). I know that Lotte etc were complaining that since Costco didn't participate in getting the law overturned for the time being that they shouldn't be allowed to open. |
Actually their logic was, that because only homeplus and emart's companies appealed, the appeal only applied to them. Any company that didn't take part in launch an appeal still had to close. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: hi |
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| alongway wrote: |
| PEIGUY wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| I think many of you are missing the point. Costco is willfully breaking the law and laughing at the fine imposed on them. Breaking the law and being disrespectful to authority isn't going to result in anything good. |
What law are they breaking? The law forcing the stores to close was overturned (for now I'm assuming). I know that Lotte etc were complaining that since Costco didn't participate in getting the law overturned for the time being that they shouldn't be allowed to open. |
Actually their logic was, that because only homeplus and emart's companies appealed, the appeal only applied to them. Any company that didn't take part in launch an appeal still had to close. |
If that's the case, that logic is uncanny. That is such a childlike mentally ( you didn't help so you have to stay closed) If the law as repealed, it applies to everyone unless they specifically say otherwise on paper. The whole idea of closing the stores was ridiculous anyway, it even included closing the Toys-r-us ;o( The Lotte-Mart here in Gwangju posted a huge banner saying they would be open every Sunday now. To be honest I dislike the mom and pop grocery stores, they are little more than overgrown GS25s and 7 11s in my opinion. At least where I live, I couldn't even buy spread butter, the milk was at least 2,000won more expensive and let's not even talk about buying meat. |
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mnjetter
Joined: 21 Feb 2012
Location: Seoul, S. Korea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.korealawtoday.com/2012/09/13/costco-i-aint-got-nothin-but-love-babe-six-days-a-week/
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| Costco made the move after the Korean courts declared the local ordinances illegal. Costco�s Korean rivals E-Mart, Lotte Mart, and Home Plus challenged the local ordinances. As a result, these stores have been allowed to operate on Sundays until the local ordinances are promulgated according to legal procedural requirements. |
This tells me that while the ordinance has an emergency stop on it, the big marts might be (technically) right in complaining about Costco trying to take part in it. Until the law is fully taken off the books, the court order seems to apply only to the three stores listed in the lawsuit. Unless the law has been officially ended since the post I linked to, which was posted in September. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: hi |
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To be honest I dislike the mom and pop grocery stores, they are little more than overgrown GS25s and 7 11s in my opinion. At least where I live, I couldn't even buy spread butter, the milk was at least 2,000won more expensive and let's not even talk about buying meat. |
Now they're going ban the big stores from selling certain products like batteries. I don't know when its going into effect but I read about the city pushing for it. This stuff just makes me hate mom and pop stores even more. If they want to save small businesses, they need to teach them to be competitive by selling cheaper stuff or having fresher produce, which they don't seem to do when I go to them.
I definitely won't be voting for a leftist mayor again. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: hi |
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To be honest I dislike the mom and pop grocery stores, they are little more than overgrown GS25s and 7 11s in my opinion. At least where I live, I couldn't even buy spread butter, the milk was at least 2,000won more expensive and let's not even talk about buying meat. |
Now they're going ban the big stores from selling certain products like batteries. I don't know when its going into effect but I read about the city pushing for it. This stuff just makes me hate mom and pop stores even more. If they want to save small businesses, they need to teach them to be competitive by selling cheaper stuff or having fresher produce, which they don't seem to do when I go to them.
I definitely won't be voting for a leftist mayor again. |
Its quite unlikely this will ever come to pass. They'll push for it, but it'll get overturned as well. If I was any of the big stores, I'd preemptively sue the local government for harassment. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I go to a mom and pop store near my house quite often more than Homeplus, but I don't want my Homeplus store closed on a Sunday. I'm busy during the week, and it's seriously inconvenient for people who are busy during the week to have the big stores closed. I understand that they wanted Costco to be part of the suit, but this mentality shows that Korea has a long way to go when it comes to the proper application of a law. It wasn't Costco's idea that stores be closed on a Sunday. It was Seoul's government, and they lost. They feel they can bully Costco because it's an American company that didn't take part in the suit, and they lost face. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Room salons are openly breaking Korean law and nothing is done about their activities. Meanwhile Costco wants to sell some Rice Krispies Treats, multivitamins, cheese, and bagged salad and for that the Seoul city government comes down hard. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Room salons are openly breaking Korean law and nothing is done about their activities. Meanwhile Costco wants to sell some Rice Krispies Treats, multivitamins, cheese, and bagged salad and for that the Seoul city government comes down hard. |
The largest room salon operation in Gangnam was recently raided and taken down..how is that not doing something? |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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The every second Sunday store closures of Home Plus and Emart was also done here in Jeju. It wasn't just a Seoul thing. It was annoying to go there only to find it closed, but I just went over to the large traditional market instead. The law did have the government's desired effect to some extent. Problem is many small supermarkets and traditional markets don't carry many foreign food items that I would buy.
That said, it's their country and both companies and people, foreign or Korean should obey the law. Now that the law isn't the law anymore, the stores are now open on weekends again. Oh and Jeju doesn't have Costco so I don't really care about them. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
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| Room salons are openly breaking Korean law and nothing is done about their activities. Meanwhile Costco wants to sell some Rice Krispies Treats, multivitamins, cheese, and bagged salad and for that the Seoul city government comes down hard. |
The largest room salon operation in Gangnam was recently raided and taken down..how is that not doing something? |
The point is that the government already has its hands full combatting criminal enterprises. Costco isn't one of them.
BTW, did you know that another Costco is going to open in Seoul in a few months? |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Room salons are openly breaking Korean law and nothing is done about their activities. Meanwhile Costco wants to sell some Rice Krispies Treats, multivitamins, cheese, and bagged salad and for that the Seoul city government comes down hard. |
How are they breaking the law? It may be public knowledge but I've not heard of it. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
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| Room salons are openly breaking Korean law and nothing is done about their activities. Meanwhile Costco wants to sell some Rice Krispies Treats, multivitamins, cheese, and bagged salad and for that the Seoul city government comes down hard. |
The largest room salon operation in Gangnam was recently raided and taken down..how is that not doing something? |
The point is that the government already has its hands full combatting criminal enterprises. Costco isn't one of them.
BTW, did you know that another Costco is going to open in Seoul in a few months? |
No, i'm pretty sure the point was you claimed that Seoul was doing nothing about room salons when in fact they are.
Anything else you've said is just noise at that point.. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
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| Room salons are openly breaking Korean law and nothing is done about their activities. Meanwhile Costco wants to sell some Rice Krispies Treats, multivitamins, cheese, and bagged salad and for that the Seoul city government comes down hard. |
The largest room salon operation in Gangnam was recently raided and taken down..how is that not doing something? |
The point is that the government already has its hands full combatting criminal enterprises. Costco isn't one of them.
BTW, did you know that another Costco is going to open in Seoul in a few months? |
No, i'm pretty sure the point was you claimed that Seoul was doing nothing about room salons when in fact they are.
Anything else you've said is just noise at that point.. |
The point that I deduced was that the police are selective in their "crackdown" on sex crimes. They could have probably shut down that room salon at any time but didn't because they are either:
a) Lazy
b) Incompetent
c) Corrupt
d) All of the above.
You could link the two narratives and say that both the Seoul Police and Seoul Council are selective in who they choose to go after and prosecute. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| You could link the two narratives and say that both the Seoul Police and Seoul Council are selective in who they choose to go after and prosecute. |
This. Highest bidder wins. |
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