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RUsqueelin
Joined: 17 Oct 2012
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| The only thing needed debunking is this rediculous health advice thread. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:27 am Post subject: |
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So basically anyone who doesn't want to participate in your ridiculous internet challenges have their arguments instantly invalidated. Pretty convenient. Your anecdotal evidence is fine and dandy but if you put yours against a website of beasts that live by IIFYM, it's easy to choose.
If that makes me an internet warrior, whatever. Continue issuing these challenges of yours. If you're so intent on invalidating this theory, issue someone a challenge on the BB threads. I'm sure someone there would gladly step up. You could even post the results here so we can all be proud of you for showing strangers the CaptainCorea way.
I especially love the part about how now you're saying the major problem you have is the way I worded my OP. So even though I mentioned more than a few times I should have worded it better, you can't help but continue your internet crusade. Must be super fun to be around. |
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Jyang486
Joined: 25 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Just curious, OP. Did you achieve the results you wanted from using IIFYM? Or are you just copying and pasting what you read on Bodybuilding.com, and are taking it as gospel because of the success of the poster, who has the luxury of keeping himself fit for a living, not to mention the free products he gets for endorsements.
Also, I take issue with the meal timing is a waste of time statement. I don't follow the 5 to 6 meals a day every 3 hours program, but definitely peri-workout nutrition: preworkout, workout, and postworkout. I think that's incredibly important to follow to maximize your workout results.
And where did you come up with this idea:
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| If you could eat all the calories you needed for a day (which I hope you've calculated using the second link I posted *HINT HINT*) in one meal, it'd be the exact same thing as spreading them over 5 to 6 small meals as so many "nutritional experts" will tell you to do. |
There isn't a diet plan that I've ever read up on that states you can eat all your calories in one meal, let alone recommends it. Eating all your macro-nutrient requirements in one sitting is not the same as spreading it throughout the day, because there's times during the day when your body will need certain nutrients to be readily available (again, peri-workoutt) than other times in the day (while you're desk warming).
Another point, the OP in the bb.com link states IIFYM isn't about healthy eating, but rather reaching body composition goals. So the statement you made about changing our ideas about healthy eating isn't changed at all.
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| There is no such thins as "good" and "bad" foods, or "clean" and "dirty' foods" (unless you are talking about health wise). There is no list of foods your not allowed to eat to reach your body composition goals. |
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| In this thread, I will change your life and your entire idea of "healthy" eating. |
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| Most people have this fallacious idea that there are "good" and "bad" foods, but let me blow your mind for a second--there are no such things. |
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| Your body can't tell the difference between "bad" foods (e.g., brownies, pizza, burgers, etc.) and "good" foods (veggies, Quaker oats, boiled chicken breast, etc.). It can only register how many calories they contain in 3 main categories of focus: proteins, carbs, and fats. |
are all invalid.
One last thought. In the BB.com link you posted, the first one, one guy made a damn good point. If you're goal is cutting/lean up, i.e. want to attain the tantalizing six pack, eating what you want when you want won't get you where you want to be. Sure you can eat something unhealthy once in a while, but to preach that you can eat what you want when you want is nothing but false advertisement.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=149661773&p=979544743&viewfull=1#post979544743
So please refrain from this nonsense:
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| Most people have this fallacious idea that there are "good" and "bad" foods, but let me blow your mind for a second--there are no such things. That's right, you can have your McDonald's, Twinkies, and Ben & Jerry's AND rock a 6-pack at the same time. |
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It's just false advertisement. And yes, I read your moderation disclaimer at the end of the OP. Sounds like every weight loss product out there, big bold statements with a disclaimer: "YOU CAN EAT ANYTHING YOU WANT AND STILL LOSE WEIGHT" (then in small font at the bottom) "as long as you eat in moderation and follow a healthy diet and exercise plan."
IIFYM is nothing revolutionary and you seemed to have taken a lot of it out of context. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:05 am Post subject: |
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I think Jyang really hit all the nails on the head. Bloopity comes on here and says what so many are doing is bunk, and you can do XYZ ... And then tries to play it down later.
When called on it - does he ACTUALLY DO IT AND SHOW RESULTS??... We get nothing.
This isn't about who is bigger, stronger, faster, this is about showing results.
Look at the link in the OP - its a 22 year old personal trainer. Ley me repeat - 22 years old! And he's saying you can eat what you want (actually, he worded it MUCH better) - no shit a 22 year old can eat what they want, I did too at that age. Also note on his personal training website about all of his success stories... They're all Tweens as well! Wow, now I'm not into cutting a guy down that's not in this forum, but let's put that in a bit of perspective.
Btw, Bloop, I too post on that site... And let me tell ya, the over 35 section is great for advice. The other sections, most inundated with Tweens, is full of ego. Post there for a while and you'll see it too.
But again, I say - DO IT! Do this system for a year. Stand by the things you wrote. And then show us how well it worked for ya. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Michael Phelps used to eat two large pizzas and a pound of pasta a day during training season. He was in excellent shape. So much for the low carb fad.... |
Don't be ridiculous. He needs the energy. Guys like him spend 6000 kcalories per day in training. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
I think Jyang really hit all the nails on the head. Bloopity comes on here and says what so many are doing is bunk, and you can do XYZ ... And then tries to play it down later.
When called on it - does he ACTUALLY DO IT AND SHOW RESULTS??... We get nothing.
This isn't about who is bigger, stronger, faster, this is about showing results.
Look at the link in the OP - its a 22 year old personal trainer. Ley me repeat - 22 years old! And he's saying you can eat what you want (actually, he worded it MUCH better) - no shit a 22 year old can eat what they want, I did too at that age. Also note on his personal training website about all of his success stories... They're all Tweens as well! Wow, now I'm not into cutting a guy down that's not in this forum, but let's put that in a bit of perspective.
Btw, Bloop, I too post on that site... And let me tell ya, the over 35 section is great for advice. The other sections, most inundated with Tweens, is full of ego. Post there for a while and you'll see it too.
But again, I say - DO IT! Do this system for a year. Stand by the things you wrote. And then show us how well it worked for ya. |
Yes, I'd love to see his cholesterol count when he hits 40.
And yes, those websites attract kids who've been working out for 3 months and think they are the next Arnold Schwarzenegger. |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Michael Phelps used to eat two large pizzas and a pound of pasta a day during training season. He was in excellent shape. So much for the low carb fad.... |
A few years back in the US I met a dude who was running marathons. He discovered he could eat a whole pizza every day and it had no effect. Awesome! Right? No, not awesome.
He went to the doctor for his checkup, dr said he was in serious trouble, of dying. On the outside he looked great, but the tests showed how messed up he was on the inside (I assume at risk of heart attack, etc).
These theories that only calories matter, are retarded! Flat out�retarded.
Here's my theory: it's called "Eat food from nature" and "eat at natural points during the day". Pizza isn't from nature and eating a whole one at midnight ain't natural. At no point in our millions of years of evolution were we eating XXL stuffed crust pizzas in the cave at midnight, delivered on a scooter, while we chilled in front of the TV. We aren't equipped to handle that. |
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