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esl4everever



Joined: 26 Aug 2012
Location: ESL TEACHER

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:07 pm    Post subject: ?? $2000usd for public school jobs??? Reply with quote

Hi Everyone -

My first time ever posting in Korea forum...

Im teaching in Mexico now.
I have very low pay - please dont ask how low.
And I have no supplies in classroom.
thats all i will say about that.


So - I want to live and teach in Korea.
I will be making my move in next 3 months.

Some Korea schools questions -

1. is it normal for public schools to pay about $2,000 dollars per month?
I thought it was more.

2. are many private schools being closed by Korean government? Should I only be looking at public schools to avoid closing?

3. i would like supplies to work with. and I would like students who want to be there. would that be more public or private?

4. do public or private schools have more supplies available?

5. are public or private better for new teachers?

6. are there public and or private schools out there that pay $3,000 usd per month or is that totally made up?

7. can anyone name the top 5 schools public or private in Seoul I should be contacting and why?

8. can anyone name the top 5 schools public or private in Gwangju I should be contacting and why?

9. all im getting is placement agencies contacting me. no real individual schools. anyone know how i can get individual schools to contact me in korea?


thank you ahead of time
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you may be confused.

Public schools are k-12 and cover all classes.
English teachers are hired to assist in conversation parts of the curriculum.

There are darn few private schools and the majority of them require you to be a certified teacher in your home country.

Perhaps you were thinking of hagwons? They are AFTER SCHOOL academies teaching/tutoring in a variety of subjects and the are prolific in Korea. The vast majority of teachers in Korea work as English teachers in hagwons.

The average salary for an entry level teacher is about $1800-$2000 / month PLUS airfare, housing and possibly medical and pension benefits. Potential SAVINGS are in the range of $1000/month due to minimal living expenses beyond your food, beverages and entertainment.

Hagwons closing is a simple matter of economics and business viability. Those that can recruit and hold students survive. Those that cannot, do not.

IN both cases, simple supplies (books, whiteboard, markers, etc.) are "supplied". In both cases, largely, students do not want to be there.

4 and 5: sometimes yes, sometimes no. It varies widely and in the case of public schools depends on the current school administration (who change every 5 years (often sooner)).

6: there are but not for someone fresh off the plane with minimal qualifications (BA and TEFL). Prove yourself in the classroom (in the case of a hagwon) and it is negotiable. IN the case of public schools, the wage tiers are set in stone and if you meet the qualifications to move up to the next level you move up. They peak at just over $3000 (salary and overtime) plus benefits.

7: no. 10,000 schools and hagwons in Seoul and you don't qualify for top tier stuff (too new to the country). You'd be lucky to find any job in Seoul while sitting in Mexico. Better start thinking about the suburbs and satellite cities in Gyeonggi-do.

8: see #7

9: unless you speak/read/write Korean you won't be dealing with a school directly - especially not a public school (they all do their recruitment through recruiting agencies).

The closest you will get to direct contact with a public school (outside of using a recruiter) is to go through one of the government programs like EPIK ( http://www.niied.go.kr/eng/contents.do?contentsNo=98&menuNo=369 ) or GEPIK.

Time for you to stop posting and start reading.

.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP: Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you a native English-speaker and a citizen of one of 'the Big Seven" countries (Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, United Kingdom, United States)? If not, your chances of getting a job teaching English legally in South Korea are approximately zero.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for supplies: Typically a classroom in Korean public schools will have a computer with internet connection, a projector or a large screen TV, a printer, access to photocopier, papers are plentiful, books in english aplenty (schools that I've taught or visited anyway), props for role-plays, boards games, etc. Unfortunately we don't have time to use them all, because we have to cover the textbook. Most of the time we can't even cover the textbook. I don't know about others but when students turn up without notebooks or pencils, I give them a new one. (and they discard that afterwards) Sometimes it is like the field of cloth of gold. OP, come to think of it, you might become disgusted by the decandence over here. China might be a better transition place.
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esl4everever



Joined: 26 Aug 2012
Location: ESL TEACHER

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
I think you may be confused.

Public schools are k-12 and cover all classes.
English teachers are hired to assist in conversation parts of the curriculum.

There are darn few private schools and the majority of them require you to be a certified teacher in your home country.

Perhaps you were thinking of hagwons? They are AFTER SCHOOL academies teaching/tutoring in a variety of subjects and the are prolific in Korea. The vast majority of teachers in Korea work as English teachers in hagwons.

The average salary for an entry level teacher is about $1800-$2000 / month PLUS airfare, housing and possibly medical and pension benefits. Potential SAVINGS are in the range of $1000/month due to minimal living expenses beyond your food, beverages and entertainment.

Hagwons closing is a simple matter of economics and business viability. Those that can recruit and hold students survive. Those that cannot, do not.

IN both cases, simple supplies (books, whiteboard, markers, etc.) are "supplied". In both cases, largely, students do not want to be there.

4 and 5: sometimes yes, sometimes no. It varies widely and in the case of public schools depends on the current school administration (who change every 5 years (often sooner)).

6: there are but not for someone fresh off the plane with minimal qualifications (BA and TEFL). Prove yourself in the classroom (in the case of a hagwon) and it is negotiable. IN the case of public schools, the wage tiers are set in stone and if you meet the qualifications to move up to the next level you move up. They peak at just over $3000 (salary and overtime) plus benefits.

7: no. 10,000 schools and hagwons in Seoul and you don't qualify for top tier stuff (too new to the country). You'd be lucky to find any job in Seoul while sitting in Mexico. Better start thinking about the suburbs and satellite cities in Gyeonggi-do.

8: see #7

9: unless you speak/read/write Korean you won't be dealing with a school directly - especially not a public school (they all do their recruitment through recruiting agencies).

The closest you will get to direct contact with a public school (outside of using a recruiter) is to go through one of the government programs like EPIK ( http://www.niied.go.kr/eng/contents.do?contentsNo=98&menuNo=369 ) or GEPIK.

Time for you to stop posting and start reading.

.



this is my main problem with daves esl cafe forums.

- saying stop posting and start reading is out of line.
- please don�t bother responding again.
- Im very well read and i�m not 18 years old by a long shot.
- your comments tend to talk down to me.
- some simple basic info was what i was looking for.
- and for the record this was my first post about korea ever in my life.
- i have the right to ask questions as everyone does and seek information.
- i will continue to seek info and post as many times as i feel nessessary.
- keep negative comments away from this post and judgements.
- please don�t post here or to me again.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With that kind of an attitude you'll go far in Korea. Rolling Eyes

You've just alienated yourself from the most helpful poster on this board,

Congrats!!

If you think being treated like you're 18 is being talked down to, wait till

you get your first hagwon gig, they'll treat you like you're 3.
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staygold



Joined: 18 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

esl4everever wrote:
this is my main problem with daves esl cafe forums.

- saying stop posting and start reading is out of line.
- please don�t bother responding again.
- Im very well read and i�m not 18 years old by a long shot.
- your comments tend to talk down to me.
- some simple basic info was what i was looking for.
- and for the record this was my first post about korea ever in my life.
- i have the right to ask questions as everyone does and seek information.
- i will continue to seek info and post as many times as i feel nessessary.
- keep negative comments away from this post and judgements.
- please don�t post here or to me again.

I'm not the biggest fan of the general atmosphere at Dave's either, but ttompatz has a point. He just gave you some incredibly useful information (which you actually could have found yourself with a simple Google search). It seems like you posted up your resume without doing the basic research... That's not the wisest move.
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mnjetter



Joined: 21 Feb 2012
Location: Seoul, S. Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

esl4everever wrote:
This is my main problem with the Dave's ESL Cafe forums:

- Saying "Stop posting and start reading" is out of line.
- Please don't bother responding again.
- I'm very well read, and I'm not 18 years old by a long shot.
- Your comments tend to talk down to me.
- Some simple basic info was what I was looking for.
- (deleted: and) For the record, this was my first post about Korea ever in my life.
- I have the right to ask questions and seek information as everyone does (deleted: and seek information).
- I will continue to seek info and post as many times as I feel nessessary.
- Keep negative comments and judgments away from this post (deleted: and judgements).
- Please don't post here or to me again.


I suggest that, before you think about becoming an English teacher, you should brush up on your basic writing mechanics and sentence structure.

Seriously, though, this is a forum for English teachers. Not all of us are lifelong TESOL/EFL professionals, but for those of us who are, it is somewhat insulting for someone with obviously limited composition skills to assume we will have no problem pointing them to the best jobs in the country when there are qualified people with advanced degrees in teaching or language studies who are looking for them.
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