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drydell
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Sorry but hard to feel any pity. 40 minute commute is fine.. 2/3 times a week - no big deal - read books/ listen to podcasts.. Use the time constructively.. Or just chill out before work..pick straws with coteacher and accept result.
Reminds me a bit of some people who had meltdowns and quit their nice 12hr uni jobs in a strop cos they didn't get their perfect schedule - ended up without a nice 12hr uni job..
If you like your public school job a normal commute time a few times a week is nothing to complain about. Lots of people looking for nice public school jobs out there. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
You would have quit if you knew this was pending?
I went from a short hop to work to a 40-minute commute last year & its not a big deal. Maybe you guys are overthinking this. Headquarters will decide if you dont. |
That is pretty much it.
As for letting employees know of changes at the last minute this is a tried and true Human Resources tactic, nothing shocking there even if it can be damn annoying. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| drydell wrote: |
Sorry but hard to feel any pity. 40 minute commute is fine.. 2/3 times a week - no big deal - read books/ listen to podcasts.. Use the time constructively.. Or just chill out before work..pick straws with coteacher and accept result.
Reminds me a bit of some people who had meltdowns and quit their nice 12hr uni jobs in a strop cos they didn't get their perfect schedule - ended up without a nice 12hr uni job..
If you like your public school job a normal commute time a few times a week is nothing to complain about. Lots of people looking for nice public school jobs out there. |
The problem is they approached two people so perhaps they expected both to compete, cut each other's throats, and underbid the other. That's playing dirty pool, if that's what they wanted to happen.
OP, are you sure the other FT won't try to undercut you in this situation? Make 100% certain. There are some FTs who would happily cut their own pay and give up pension and health insurance if they believe it will keep them employed for one more contract. Yeah, some are that stupid. |
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roguefishfood
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| You're at a public school. The travel/multiple-school allowance is set in stone. There will be no increase. Disabuse yourself now of that notion. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| You're at a public school. The travel/multiple-school allowance is set in stone. There will be no increase. Disabuse yourself now of that notion. |
+1
Flip a coin. |
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jvalmer
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So what's the problem here? 40 minute travel? Being told last minute? It happens to lower level Korean teachers too, and therefore you'll get little sympathy from them.
One person should 'man-up' and do the other school willingly, it was pretty normal before 2009 when almost everyone had at least 2 schools in epik. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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So what's the problem here? 40 minute travel? Being told last minute? It happens to lower level Korean teachers too, and therefore you'll get little sympathy from them.
One person should 'man-up' and do the other school willingly, it was pretty normal before 2009 when almost everyone had at least 2 schools in epik. |
The problem is how it was communicated in such a way as to possibly create a situation with two FT's underbidding each other to keep that one job. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| The problem is how it was communicated in such a way as to possibly create a situation with two FT's underbidding each other to keep that one job. |
You obviously have no understanding of how public school contracts work. How does one "underbid" a non-negotiable contract with fixed benefits?
Also, the schools & district would never consider splitting the duties by week or by semester. Too "outside the box." Not the way its done.
The last-minuteness is endemic in the system. The OP wishes they'd been informed earlier. "If wishes were fishes..." Its likely the honchos themselves had no idea about this until a day or two before it was announced.
In fairness (& in keeping with Korean norms) the decision should have gone to the teacher with seniority.
& I still dont get why the commuting teacher is necessarily going to have "a much more irritating year." If they give it a chance, they might enjoy the variety. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:53 am Post subject: Re: District office forcing hunger-games-esque decision... |
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Here's what's bugging me:
-They then go on to say "we'd like if you decided amongst yourselves." Meaning we fight over who has to have a crappy year they didn't sign up for. No mediation, no discussion with anyone official, just "fight to the death, winner doesn't have to deal with this." Oh, and we have to make our choice by Tuesday morning, giving us basically no time to chat with them at all.
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Would you prefer them handing down an autocratic decree from on high...or working it out among the two of you to reach a solution both of you can live with?
I get that it is a inconvience and that neither one of you is willing...but what's the problem with sitting down over a beer with the other fellow and trying to reach a compromise (that while neither of you may be totally happy with) that you can go with? |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
| dairyairy wrote: |
| The problem is how it was communicated in such a way as to possibly create a situation with two FT's underbidding each other to keep that one job. |
You obviously have no understanding of how public school contracts work. How does one "underbid" a non-negotiable contract with fixed benefits?
In fairness (& in keeping with Korean norms) the decision should have gone to the teacher with seniority.
& I still dont get why the commuting teacher is necessarily going to have "a much more irritating year." If they give it a chance, they might enjoy the variety. |
Public school contracts can be negotiated, for the better or worse.
As for seniority settling the issue? Sounds reasonable to me. |
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thebektionary
Joined: 11 May 2011
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| Find out the distance between schools and ask to find accommodations somewhere between the two schools. Try to negotiate with the school to make your commute/working schedule easier/more convenient. I don't know the details but I'm sure you could do this if you sat down and explained how inconvenient it would be for the person who has to do it if you would have to go to two schools in one day. Maybe negotiate so that you work at one school one day and the other school the next day, so it's not as inconvenient. I live in Bucheon now next to Seoul and one of my friends has to commute 30-40 minutes on the bus every day cause she kind of works out in the boonies and her school wanted her to live in downtown Bucheon. A lot of people commute so I don't think it's a big deal as long as it's not over an hour. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
The last-minuteness is endemic in the system. The OP wishes they'd been informed earlier. "If wishes were fishes..." Its likely the honchos themselves had no idea about this until a day or two before it was announced.
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So, nobody had any idea about the change, and then suddenly the teachers magically get this email a few hours after they've re-signed their contracts. Hmm...
When things like this happen, it's always difficult to tell if management is deliberately being crafty, or if it's just plain incompetence, lack of information, or the last-minute thing. It's often a mix of all of it.
In this case, someone in the chain likely knew something beforehand and sat on it. Not unique to here, but certainly a common and shady tactic. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| In the end, I'll deal with what I have to... |
That's what they are counting on.
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| but I'm not just going to accept it without even TRYING to improve it. |
Good for you.
Someone said the travel budget is written in stone. IF true, that doesn't mean it's the only angle or compromise that you can work on.
Commuting is pretty normal and may not be worth a huge battle, but you have every right to be irritated about how you were informed of the changes. And sometimes you have more wiggle room than you think in terms of compromises and negotiation. But if you are wishy washy or come off as weak, don't count on much changing. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
| Public school contracts can be negotiated, for the better or worse. |
EPIK renewals? Not likely.
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| As for seniority settling the issue? Sounds reasonable to me. |
Yep. Or "Which teacher needs the (paltry) extra pay more?" will work. |
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