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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Um... I'm not saying someone should not be told to be quiet. I'm saying that for me, and how I was raised, the words "shut up!" should not be used in those settings/ways. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't use it in a classroom as interchangable with "Be quiet." |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
| I wouldn't use it in a classroom as interchangable with "Be quiet." |
Ditto, never.
But I do teach my teen students about the joking casual way the phrase can be used between friends. Its basic modern english, but context is everything. Used wrongly or harshly, "shut up" can cause great offense. My students seem to grasp this distinction pretty easily. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| I'm saying that for me, and how I was raised, the words "shut up!" should not be used in those settings/ways. |
Straw man argument.
If you told the same kid to be quiet and they actually did become quiet, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It may not be exactly the same, but it has the same effect sometimes which is why this question is being addressed.
If saying "Be quiet" or "Shut up" doesn't help, then should we not say either?
It doesn't matter if your perception of the phrases is different, a child hearing it hears the same message until they are programmed to interpret it with a different meaning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAAj9XGRl9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G9vUE1OMDo
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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Nester Noodlemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Shuuut uuuup. Now can hear a mouse pizzing on cotton.
Open your books. Teaching and learning begins.
I'm qualified, the students are learning, and the parents are happy.
I've never had a problem being asked to sign on for another year, the offer has always been there. And yes, 9/10 of the kids always seem to like me. Often they will follow me around in the school or outside when they see me. |
Why can't you just say "Be quiet!"? I do that. It works. It's not rude. It still gets the point across. I dunno. To me, shut up seems like something a very uneducated person would say. I don't think I've used it since I was a teenager, myself. Maybe I'm getting old. I'm 29, after all. |
I've only used "Shut Up!" a few times in the classroom. Those few times were when I walked into an out of hand class that had usually been taught by a previous teacher who lacked classroom management skills. One of the most important things I learned, when I was getting my BA in education as a licensed teacher, was either you are in control of the classroom or the students are in control of the classroom. I always attempt to be a kind and loving teacher, but I make sure my students know that I'm in control.
I have a Masters Degree, MA, MATEL (language teaching degree). It may seem uneducated, but I've always been able to walk in any classroom and get positive learning results with the majority/most of my students because I'm very serious about classroom management in every area. It seems my superiors, co-workers, students and students' parents have been overall pleased.
I've used this expression, 'shut up,' a few times since I was a teenager. I remember when I was 29, but that was a long time ago.
*couple of years teaching public school in the United States
*year teaching in Japan
*teaching in Peace Corp
*year teaching university in Europe
*2 years public school in Korea
*year teaching in hakwon in Korea
*7 years to present, 'teacher' at my academy in Korea that my wife and I own
note: my wife, Korean, was a public school teacher in Korea
I make sure I get the point across even if it should require a 'Shut Up!' Though, I don't remember saying it in a long, long time.
To many people are worried about PC and not enough people getting the job done.
Our, my wife and I, students love us. They are learning and we don't have any hassels. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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No teacher ever used it when I was in school (as a student in elementary school or HS). In Korea, I can't say I heard it said by a K-teacher when I was around.
I still think there are more effective ways to quiet down a student than telling him or her to shut up. |
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figshdg
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Judging by the number of times I've had a conversation with a student about whether it's acceptable to say it because their foreign teacher said it in school, I would say there's more than a fair share of foreigners using this kind of language out there.
I personally never use it. I don't tolerate students saying it to other students either. |
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Nester Noodlemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| I would never suggest that a teacher say 'shut up' to a student/s. I would suggest that it's better not to say it. However, if I saw a teacher walk into a classroom full of out of control students and the teacher told them to shut up, I wouldn't have a problem with it. |
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Nester Noodlemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Call it 'comparing apples and/to oranges'
but I don't:
work for bosses who get behind on my pay
let rude students run over me in the name of me being polite
have to call another teacher in to handle my class/problems
etc.
That's just me. Hey, maybe I've got it all backwards. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:31 am Post subject: Re: this is my take. |
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| randall020105 wrote: |
i think some things inevitably comes with your presence when you step foot in class...
you either carry self respect or you don't... what you teach at times in your approach to life speaks greater volumes than what you say to anyone...
when you walk into an area the people inside there should automatically know where they stand with you, whether they hate you or love you... allot can be said of a lady or a gentleman when you enter a place.
people you teach/lecture should be able to read you when you need silence and when you require a response. having to verbally assert your position should never enter the realm of having to say "shut up", ... |
Good points, but never say never.
There could be times when 'shut up' is the most appropriate thing in the world to say, but it also could backfire and lower you in the students eyes, even if it worked at the time.
I watched a demo class where an Australian woman calmly said it to a bratty teenage girl who was deliberately pushing her buttons. Worked brilliantly.
Hate to admit, but I've done it once too, but it was to a class of rowdy devils. It silenced them immediately, and I smiled and said "Thank you." All was cool after that but I'd never do it again. The silent calm way where you look like you're about to kill someone works the best. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| this poll indicates 1 out of 4 "teachers" should go back home and never work with children again. |
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Nester Noodlemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| this poll indicates 1 out of 4 "teachers" should go back home and never work with children again. |
Pot calling the Kettle black. But it's ok for you to be rude, right? |
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Rowdy
Joined: 23 Oct 2012
Location: USA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: Shut Up |
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When I taught in corporate America , I would just fail the person that was loud and rude. I never had to say "shut up" once in that environment. Later when I taught at a local College, I would just stand beside the loud or rude student. If that didn't solve the problem, I would belittle the student in front of his peers by asking him to leave my classroom. I only had to do this once and the student was drunk.
Is it rude to say" shut up?" Yes. Is it rude to fail someone and then they go hunger or their children? No. Is it okay to send an unruly arse out of your classroom ? No. We all make choices. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| this poll indicates 1 out of 4 "teachers" should go back home and never work with children again. |
Which ones? The ones who say 'shut up' or the one's who don't? |
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