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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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I hope they ban it outside, too.
I hate smoking. Disgusting.
I'm tired of second-hand smoke. When smokers find a way to keep it to themselves, I'll allow them their habit. |
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rainman3277
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Taylormade wrote: |
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If you think the bars are going to risk getting fined W5,000,000 you must have been born yesterday. This is not a tough law to enforce. |
LOL.
Let me list some of the other laws that are not difficult to enforce but aren't...Christ, I won't even bother. I have to teach in twenty minutes. It'll take longer than that to list all the laws that are 'on the books' in Korea but aren't enforced. Remember how they banned motorcycles on Seoul's streets three years ago? Remember that one? How is that going?
How difficult is it to pull over a car that just ran a red light? How demanding is it to put a ticket on the winsdshield of a car parked on a crosswalk? Or handing a ticket to ajoshie after he empties his nostrils on the street? Not going to happen. Same with the smoking thing. I'm a pretty militant non-smoker. Smoking around other people is obnoxious and the height of selfishness. I would love to see all bars in Itaewon go smoke free. But it's not going to happen. I do, however, find it absolutely adorable that you think it will be complied with and enforced because it's now 'the law'. |
Actually the fine i mentioned is on the business, not the smoker. And all the infractions you mentioned are minor and bust individuals. But essentially my opinion is based on the fact that I know several bar owners who are taking it very seriously. Even more adorable is when an esl teacher speaks with a condescending tone. LOL. Don't forget to tell your students to stress their r's. |
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toby99
Joined: 28 Aug 2009 Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Every now and then a story like this comes out about new plans/laws to ban smoking, prostitution, public drunkenness, etc, but you're an idiot if you think things will change. It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks (esp when that dog is South Korea). |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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rainman3277 wrote: |
Even more adorable is when an esl teacher speaks with a condescending tone. LOL. Don't forget to tell your students to stress their r's. |
You do know that this is an ESL website? Only a clown would come to an ESL site and make a comment like that. I suspect that you have self esteem issues. Otherwise why else go off topic to make an unrelated snide remark? Curious. Everyone here has a university degree. Many of us have graduate degrees. And if you really confident that this law will be enforced then, yes, the previous poster's condescension was justified. And the condescension had nothing to do with how your make your living. It was based on your lack of comprehension of the culture surrounding you. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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CentralCali wrote: |
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NilesQ wrote: |
That's like saying not beign allowed to drive a car on the sidewalk is an attack on your freedoms! |
Yup, public thoroughfares are the perfect comparison to privately-owned bars and restaurants. |
Are the bars and restaurants not open to the public? |
Emphasis mine.
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I'm tired of second-hand smoke. When smokers find a way to keep it to themselves, I'll allow them their habit. |
You mean like confining themselves to the inside of bars and restaurants that seek to specifically accommodate the behavior? Or standing more than six feet from nonsmokers while outside? I agree; that sounds perfectly reasonable. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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When kids are around, maybe. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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12ax7 wrote: |
Your right to ruin your health has no precedent over other people's right to protect theirs.
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Exactly. And since excessive consumption of alcohol leads to traffic deaths and acts of violence, we should ban alcohol consumption. A move that has been tried before in the past to great results. Same with making other things illegal, such as narcotics.
And since we're going down the path of banning because of health- let's do away with planes, trains, automobiles, and electricity, |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Smoking banned at bars in Itaewon/Yongsan-gu |
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augustine wrote: |
but what about Korean Hofs/other similar establishments in the area... how's that going to hold up? |
Hey there. We were out Saturday night at a kalbi place with all Korean customers, and it was being enforced. |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
12ax7 wrote: |
Your right to ruin your health has no precedent over other people's right to protect theirs.
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Exactly. And since excessive consumption of alcohol leads to traffic deaths and acts of violence, we should ban alcohol consumption. A move that has been tried before in the past to great results. Same with making other things illegal, such as narcotics.
And since we're going down the path of banning because of health- let's do away with planes, trains, automobiles, and electricity, |
very poor argument - but if you're going there
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More deaths are caused each year by tobacco use than by all deaths from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), illegal drug use, alcohol use, motor vehicle injuries, suicides, and murders combined. |
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/ |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Those people don't die from exposure to tobacco smoke; they die from defective cancer-causing genes. If only we could catch them early enough before they have a chance to reproduce, our species would be the better for it. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Scorpion wrote: |
rainman3277 wrote: |
Even more adorable is when an esl teacher speaks with a condescending tone. LOL. Don't forget to tell your students to stress their r's. |
You do know that this is an ESL website? Only a clown would come to an ESL site and make a comment like that. I suspect that you have self esteem issues. |
Plus it makes you look like a real cunt. |
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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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This is a really good law... and I hope it will be enforced by establishments and respected by patrons...
The KEY will be and this is the difficult part-
Bars and restaurants will need to be allowed and set in place smoking areas near or adjoined to their premises. This will be more difficult in Korea than say lesser populated countries with more space. If premises here can do that then this is very workable and shouldn't see a big reduction in customers.
I think bars that enforce this properly while at the same time having the means to have a smoking area in a separate part of their premises or for example outside will thrive.
These smoking areas then become more popular than the actual bar itself and everybody is happy.. Patrons will have their drinks inside and take them to the smoking area. This works best in really busy bars!
That's the challenge! |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
12ax7 wrote: |
Your right to ruin your health has no precedent over other people's right to protect theirs.
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Exactly. And since excessive consumption of alcohol leads to traffic deaths and acts of violence, we should ban alcohol consumption. A move that has been tried before in the past to great results. Same with making other things illegal, such as narcotics.
And since we're going down the path of banning because of health- let's do away with planes, trains, automobiles, and electricity, |
There you go again with your red herrings.
Banning smoking in public places is not the same as an all out ban on tobacco, is it?
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Location: Testicles for Eyes
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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saram_ wrote: |
Bars and restaurants will need to be allowed and set in place smoking areas near or adjoined to their premises. This will be more difficult in Korea than say lesser populated countries with more space. If premises here can do that then this is very workable and shouldn't see a big reduction in customers.
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Even as a smoker, I have to say that I felt very comfortable in smoke-free bars last time I went back to the UK. Popping outside for a quick one between rounds seems to have caught on, despite my initial doubt. Smokers are, by and large, pretty good at adjusting to each new restriction. They manage not to smoke in cinemas, on buses and aeroplanes, in their offices - all places where smoking was previously permitted. I think the majority of them will cope with not being able to smoke in bars, restaurants, coffee shops etc.
The problem will be if governments insist on outdoor smoking bans too. I think governments will have to be very careful about which outdoor areas are designated non-smoking. Parks, mountains and busy pedestrianised high streets are fair enough. But side streets, back alleys and areas behind buildings are, IMO, reasonable places for smoking. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
12ax7 wrote: |
Your right to ruin your health has no precedent over other people's right to protect theirs.
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Exactly. And since excessive consumption of alcohol leads to traffic deaths and acts of violence, we should ban alcohol consumption. A move that has been tried before in the past to great results. Same with making other things illegal, such as narcotics.
And since we're going down the path of banning because of health- let's do away with planes, trains, automobiles, and electricity, |
I always cringe when I hear this argument trotted out. The period of American Prohibition cannot be the only example of how a country bans a substance. There are obvious different examples... even within the US.
Throwing this card on the table... in a thread about smoking, is starting to vibe like a "as bad as Hitler" response. |
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