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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| So when North Korea killed 46 South Koreans in 2010 by sinking the Cheonan did Psy sing any songs about killing every North Korean? It's interesting to see the issues that Koreans get outraged about and those that they don't. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
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| Kudos to these two cool guys from the two greatest countries on planet Earth. |
Awesomeness. Noticed this on the news at the gym but didn't know what the heck it was all about, makes sense now. |
Would either of you like to comment on his lyrics and how you feel about them? I see a lot of people defending free speech and comparing him to musicians but you haven't really said how you feel about his lyrics. What are your thoughts on what he said about torturing and killing families? |
Fair question. I support the artist's right to create, and the audience's right to like it or not. As far as myself as a listener, meh I don�t listen to pop music and don�t care, but I think his lyrics suck. However if it was his intention to protest Americans killing people for oil then I applaud the guy. |
By torturing women and children?
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| It's interesting to see the issues that Koreans get outraged about and those that they don't. |
Plenty of Koreans were outraged at North Korea, just as there are those that favor Pro-US policies. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Generally speaking though.. the "Right", Conservative, Pro-US ppl, don't protest much. Sure, the old Vets do... but for the most part, the rest aren't all that active - they're busy working  |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Plenty of Koreans were outraged at North Korea, just as there are those that favor Pro-US policies. |
Sure but the North Korean government has recently killed South Korean soldiers and civilians. While there was an outcry in the public and media it was nothing compared to what happened here in 2002.
And the 2002 incident was an accident while the sinking of the Chonun and bombing of Yangpyeong island was intentional.
I just can't understand this!
It's almost if the Korean public is scared to really go after North Korea in fear of things escalating to the point of a war. So instead they re-direct their anger on to the best ally this nation has ever had.
It's sickening.
And its not just a vocal minority, but a large portion of South Korean society which acts this way. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:44 am Post subject: |
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This is generational and when you think about it, quite normal. Those that were born in a prosperous SK free of war or even of the memory of war will not have the same view of the US as those who lived through the K-war. This will only increase with each generation. You can also add globalization to the mix and the huge hit the US took in terms of international image and reputation under G. W. Bush.
I do not think the Korean kids or tweens of Korea today feel they owe much to the US. Conversely, younger Americans did not do a thing for Korea unless they served and are or were posted here so this outrage is a bit artificial. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Kepler wrote: |
| So when North Korea killed 46 South Koreans in 2010 by sinking the Cheonan did Psy sing any songs about killing every North Korean? It's interesting to see the issues that Koreans get outraged about and those that they don't. |
Neither did American musicians sing songs about killing very korean after the Cho Virginia Tech massacre.
Kneejerk emotionalism is a feature of primitive inferior societies.
Only a 100 years ago the wheel had not even made its first appearance in Korea.
Most Korean males over 40 still give the impression of having been raised in caves by wolves.
Obama probably knows that patience is needed when dealing with this country. Its better to encourage allies rather than punish them. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Most Korean males over 40 still give the impression of having been raised in caves by wolves. |
The fact that this kind of crap gets posted here is sad beyond words....
Next time you raise your shield in outrage at racism nautilus, just remember what you post on here... |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Neither did American musicians sing songs about killing very korean after the Cho Virginia Tech massacre.
Yes they have, you just haven't heard them.
Kneejerk emotionalism is a feature of all societies.
Only a 5100 years ago the wheel had not even made its first appearance in Korea.
Most Korean males over 40 still give the impression of having been raised in caves by ajummas.
Romney knows that patience is needed when dealing with this country. Its better to encourage allies rather than punish them. |
Got news for you nauti style, Mitt Romney is the new president of Republican States of America. Mr Gangnam style should have handled it Romney style, double down, back track, lie: what he really meant was waterboarding socialist traitors to extract more taxes from them and punishing women who had abortions as baby killers. In hind-sight-Romney-style PSY foretold American-gangnam style. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Plenty of Koreans were outraged at North Korea, just as there are those that favor Pro-US policies. |
Sure but the North Korean government has recently killed South Korean soldiers and civilians. While there was an outcry in the public and media it was nothing compared to what happened here in 2002.
And the 2002 incident was an accident while the sinking of the Chonun and bombing of Yangpyeong island was intentional.
I just can't understand this!
It's almost if the Korean public is scared to really go after North Korea in fear of things escalating to the point of a war. So instead they re-direct their anger on to the best ally this nation has ever had.
It's sickening.
And its not just a vocal minority, but a large portion of South Korean society which acts this way. |
First, with North Korea, there's the Wolf syndrome with North Korea. As it happens over and over it begins to be like news of a driveby killing a 5 year old in the ghetto or some guy going postal. The first time it happens, sure its an outrage, but after awhile you get a little numb to it. These things were sorta mild compared to airline bombings or assassination attempts taking out ministers of state.
People realize that even if they get completely outraged, nothing much is going to change.
The other thing is that with the anti-US sentiment, this was at a time when the US" popularity was plummeting. Remember, the President at the time was George W. Bush. Probably one of the most hated figures in recent memory. The USA has been a friend to many countries around the world. But Bush and America was reviled. Outside of Africa, Israel, and a few ex-Soviet nations, Bush was almost unanimously hated. Not just disliked, HATED.
I mean the French and the Germans actively disapproved. The UK people had to be dragged kicking and screaming. Canadian flags skyrocket in popularity. Spain gets bombed and they vote in the anti-US faction.
Now this in no way excuses Psy's lyrics. Plenty of people had hatred for the US leadership and even the army, but would never endorse torture of women and children. Burn Bush in effigy? Burn an American flag? Okay, but they'd have the decency and conscience to understand soldiers are a little different.
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| It's almost if the Korean public is scared to really go after North Korea in fear of things escalating to the point of a war. |
I think pretty much everyone understands how war would just not be the best course. You basically have to play the waiting game until the regime crumbles internally. That means you have to put up with occasional antics and you do grow a bit numb to them. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Neither did American musicians sing songs about killing very korean after the Cho Virginia Tech massacre.
Yes they have, you just haven't heard them.
Kneejerk emotionalism is a feature of all societies.
Only a 5100 years ago the wheel had not even made its first appearance in Korea.
Most Korean males over 40 still give the impression of having been raised in caves by ajummas.
Romney knows that patience is needed when dealing with this country. Its better to encourage allies rather than punish them. |
Got news for you nauti style, Mitt Romney is the new president of Republican States of America. Mr Gangnam style should have handled it Romney style, double down, back track, lie: what he really meant was waterboarding socialist traitors to extract more taxes from them and punishing women who had abortions as baby killers. In hind-sight-Romney-style PSY foretold American-gangnam style. |
Huh?
Did I just have a stroke? Not only is the quote NOT what nautilus wrote, but I don't understand what the hell andrewchon is writing. Is it satire? If so, it's not working. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Fox News criticizes President Obama's handling of the situation:
"DANA PERINO, FOX NEWS GUEST HOST: All right, so he once rapped about killing American troops and their families, and now South Korean superstar PSY gets to hang out with President Obama!...
"So despite these hurtful and outrageous lyrics, President Obama is seen laughing during a PSY performance in Washington, D.C., last night, even shaking hands with the now controversial artist...
"REP. JASON CHAFFETZ, R-UTAH: Well, what's troubling about what President Obama did is he gave this guy an audience with the president of the United States for somebody who's advocating the killing, the death, of Americans and their family members!
"And I got to tell you, I was just out on the USS Eisenhower. These people put their lives on the line. And when you go out and you say we should be killing these people, that raises it to a different level! The White House had a choice! They didn't -- there was no consequence for these comments! They didn't dismiss him from the program!
"How about the president actually standing up for our servicemen and women and saying, You know what? That's not acceptable. You do owe an apology, and you don't get to go to the concert. But that's not what happened. That's what's so worrisome."
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2012/12/11/no-psy-relief-why-president-obama-should-have-stood-our-troops-against-south-korean-rappe#ixzz2EsoJGKN4 |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Most Korean males over 40 still give the impression of having been raised in caves by wolves. |
The fact that this kind of crap gets posted here is sad beyond words....
Next time you raise your shield in outrage at racism nautilus, just remember what you post on here... |
No, what Nautilus said was generational, and when you think about it, normal. Do you think what Nautilus said is hilarious too? Maybe if he talked about torturing North Korean women and children you would find it amusing. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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| Most Korean males over 40 still give the impression of having been raised in caves by wolves. |
The fact that this kind of crap gets posted here is sad beyond words....
Next time you raise your shield in outrage at racism nautilus, just remember what you post on here... |
No, what Nautilus said was generational, and when you think about it, normal. Do you think what Nautilus said is hilarious too? Maybe if he talked about torturing North Korean women and children you would find it amusing. |
That would be just as sad AND just as narrow minded. Why on earth you would say something so sick is beyond me. Who finds torture amusing? You perhaps?
What nautilus said was not just generational, it was derogatory, insulting and yes in many ways racist but it's ok, you choose to see it another way, that is your call. |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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From the last video.
"He shouldn't be meeting the president of the United States. If anything he should be on the 'no fly' list."
From the previous video.
"This song will likely make him a one hit wonder a lot faster than he otherwise would have been."
This dancing fool is toast. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Whatever Obama did they would have used it for political gain. The people will decide on this one. |
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