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BigInJapan



Joined: 30 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Is GEPIK Finished? Reply with quote

Here we go.

Time for another round of everyone's favorite annual guessing game: Is GEPIK finished?

Like most, I've heard that GEPIK has cancelled high school positions for the upcoming 2013/14 school year.

Recently, however, I've heard whispers that these cancellations will extend to middle and elementary schools.

I currently work at a middle school in Ansan. My school asked to rehire me and I filled out the appropriate letter of intent.

Then yesterday the head English teacher informed me that from what she understands GEPIK won't have any funding for my position next year.

She doesn't know the details and suggested I suss out all relevant facts on my own. Rolling Eyes

I contacted my GEPIK coordinator yesterday but haven't heard a peep back, so I come to you fair ELSCafe netizen.

Any other middle and elementary school teachers in Gyeonggi-do hear something similar? Will you have a job next year? Has GEPIK promised funding to your school?

This is Korea so I don't expect to have answers too far in advance, but I would like to know as quickly as possible so as to plan accordingly.

Thanks.
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BigInJapan



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just heard back from the coordinator and this is what she had for me:

"In regards to the budget situation, and from what I have heard, a budget cut is highly possible but we were told to wait for the official notice from GPOE as I was told that the departments are still under deliberation. However, there should be an official notice soon and when it comes out, we will make sure to e-mail everyone the notice. If your school is city funded, they will have to talk to the district's city hall about their specific situation. If your school is GEPIK funded, you will have to wait for the notice to come out or contact the provincial office directly."

So...not exactly reassuring. I know this is all just part of the price of playing ball in Korea, but, geez, it'd be nice to have even a modicum of job security.

I know, I know. Let the flames begin.
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newb



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't they let go most of NETs (high, middle, elementary) go and ended up recruiting new NETs to fill the vacant positions a few years ago? It was basically, their way of getting rid of seasoned NETs and hiring newbies.
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dairyairy



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Like most, I've heard that GEPIK has cancelled high school positions for the upcoming 2013/14 school year.

Recently, however, I've heard whispers that these cancellations will extend to middle and elementary schools.



Has GEPIK made any announcements to teachers?
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is GEPIK Finished?


Our concerns are salary, is salary, was salary, and will be salary.

The extremes of existence, to be or not to be is NOT the question.

There will be people paying for English teachers. The salary just might be lower, and maybe they won't make so many promises? Can we count on that at least folks?
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Airborne9



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont have an original link for the email but some teachers on the GEPIK Facebook site said they received this email.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/3094780809/

Dear GEPIK Teachers,

Every year, around this time, rumors and speculations arise about the future of the GEPIK program. The deliberation on the budget for 2013 is still going on by the Provincial Assembly however we have decided to let you know about the GEPIK budget plan for next year.

Due to budget cut, it has been decided that NETs in middle and high schools on the GEPIK budget will not be able to renew their contract in 2013. This does not apply to schools that are funded by the District City Council, or by the school's private budget. Please note that while these changes apply to contracts in 2013, those currently under contract with their schools cannot be terminated due to this budget cut and schools must respect their contract.

We are sorry to give you the bad news but all of our coordinators wish you all the best of luck for your future endeavors.

Sincerely,
GEPIK Coordinators Team


I suppose it was expected. I suppose some people can try to find city funded positions or elementary schools but i imagine competition is going to be tough enough for them.
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BigInJapan



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ax just fell here at school.

I'm officially out of a job at the end of February.

Man, not the news you want to get a week before Christmas but I reckon it's better to know sooner rather than later.

Next steps? Not sure.

The provinces are looking better and better, though.

I'm one of those guys who believes that when one door closes another opens. It'll be stressful for a while but things will work out.

Best of luck to everyone in a similar situation.

Paul
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creeper1



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reading Reply with quote

I was part of the GEPIK program 2008-2011. I'm surprised it is still around. It may hobble on for a while yet.

The rumor is that rural schools will continue to get funding and if you are in the countryside you needn't worry.

I saw this posted on another site.

"Most people these days (NETs and Koreans alike) know by now that EPIK/GEPIK teachers' jobs are a joke that mostly consist of coming to school and either: A. desk-warming or B. playing games and/or struggling to control a classroom full of kids who won't listen. To think that we actually teach English is laughable and this decision has been long overdue.

Getting rid of the majority of GEPIK (and maybe EPIK later on) is probably the smartest financial decision the Korean government can make with this kind of economy. I'm sorry for anyone affected by this but it's the truth. "

For sure GEPIK didn't really get much "bang for their buck" when employing NETS considering how much unproductive desk-warming they gave us.

If EPIK go the same way as GEPIK, hagwons are going to have a freaking field day.



The whole industry in Korea will go south. Laughing
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shostahoosier



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Reading Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
I was part of the GEPIK program 2008-2011. I'm surprised it is still around. It may hobble on for a while yet.

The rumor is that rural schools will continue to get funding and if you are in the countryside you needn't worry.

I saw this posted on another site.

"Most people these days (NETs and Koreans alike) know by now that EPIK/GEPIK teachers' jobs are a joke that mostly consist of coming to school and either: A. desk-warming or B. playing games and/or struggling to control a classroom full of kids who won't listen. To think that we actually teach English is laughable and this decision has been long overdue.

Getting rid of the majority of GEPIK (and maybe EPIK later on) is probably the smartest financial decision the Korean government can make with this kind of economy. I'm sorry for anyone affected by this but it's the truth. "


For sure GEPIK didn't really get much "bang for their buck" when employing NETS considering how much unproductive desk-warming they gave us.

If EPIK go the same way as GEPIK, hagwons are going to have a freaking field day.



The whole industry in Korea will go south. Laughing


Exactly what site did you see this on and who said it? I'm guessing you studied Korean journalism. Laughing

Also, if a teacher is desk warming 51% of the time they're at school, then yeah it would be a waste, but who desk warms that much? I don't even get the time to desk warm during school vacations as I'm always holding classes.

I've never thought that Korean schools needed NETs but I always thought they were nice to have. Just like those stupid, pork barrel project English Zones, a lot of schools only had NETs for show.

GEPIK needs to be dissolved. It is poorly organized and no one ever has any answers. I'm in my last few weeks teaching and I think I'm getting out at a good time.

The ESL system in Korea is going down hill only if you're depending on it for a living and you weren't smart enough to upgrade your skills/network during all that free time you apparently had doing so much desk warming. For the average 20 year old looking to travel and save for a year or two it's still a good deal.
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Snowkr



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Getting rid of the majority of GEPIK (and maybe EPIK later on) is probably the smartest financial decision the Korean government can make with this kind of economy."


I could not agree more. I believe this is a massive step in the right direction for Korea's Ministry of Education.
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warmachinenkorea



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Reading Reply with quote

shostahoosier wrote:
creeper1 wrote:
I was part of the GEPIK program 2008-2011. I'm surprised it is still around. It may hobble on for a while yet.

The rumor is that rural schools will continue to get funding and if you are in the countryside you needn't worry.

I saw this posted on another site.

"Most people these days (NETs and Koreans alike) know by now that EPIK/GEPIK teachers' jobs are a joke that mostly consist of coming to school and either: A. desk-warming or B. playing games and/or struggling to control a classroom full of kids who won't listen. To think that we actually teach English is laughable and this decision has been long overdue.

Getting rid of the majority of GEPIK (and maybe EPIK later on) is probably the smartest financial decision the Korean government can make with this kind of economy. I'm sorry for anyone affected by this but it's the truth. "


For sure GEPIK didn't really get much "bang for their buck" when employing NETS considering how much unproductive desk-warming they gave us.

If EPIK go the same way as GEPIK, hagwons are going to have a freaking field day.



The whole industry in Korea will go south. Laughing


Exactly what site did you see this on and who said it? I'm guessing you studied Korean journalism. Laughing

Also, if a teacher is desk warming 51% of the time they're at school, then yeah it would be a waste, but who desk warms that much? I don't even get the time to desk warm during school vacations as I'm always holding classes.

I've never thought that Korean schools needed NETs but I always thought they were nice to have. Just like those stupid, pork barrel project English Zones, a lot of schools only had NETs for show.

GEPIK needs to be dissolved. It is poorly organized and no one ever has any answers. I'm in my last few weeks teaching and I think I'm getting out at a good time.

The ESL system in Korea is going down hill only if you're depending on it for a living and you weren't smart enough to upgrade your skills/network during all that free time you apparently had doing so much desk warming. For the average 20 year old looking to travel and save for a year or two it's still a good deal.


I taught at 3 rural schools for 4 years. I taught 18 out 40 hours. So I was at my desk 55% of the time. I made 11 different lessons a week but after the first year I just tweeked my lessons to match the classes. I had alot of free time.
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shostahoosier



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:39 am    Post subject: Re: Reading Reply with quote

warmachinenkorea wrote:


I taught at 3 rural schools for 4 years. I taught 18 out 40 hours. So I was at my desk 55% of the time. I made 11 different lessons a week but after the first year I just tweeked my lessons to match the classes. I had alot of free time.


No one teaches 40 hours a week, that woud be insane. People in hagwons that are forced to teach 30 hours a week often feel stressed.

You taught 18 out of 22 teaching hours. The fact that you only felt like putting in enough effort to tweak lessons during the time given for you to make lessons is your issue.

I also teach at several very small, rural schools and and at 22 hours I never feel like I have enough time because I'm always making new lesson plans (all of the schools use different books).
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dairyairy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowkr wrote:
"Getting rid of the majority of GEPIK (and maybe EPIK later on) is probably the smartest financial decision the Korean government can make with this kind of economy."


I could not agree more. I believe this is a massive step in the right direction for Korea's Ministry of Education.


It depends on what they plan to do with the money. Is it being used, as many suspect, to pay for the promised "free lunches" for students and to keep those money pits called English Villages afloat, financially?
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:06 am    Post subject: Re: Reading Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:

I saw this posted on another site.

Quote:
"Most people these days (NETs and Koreans alike) know by now that EPIK/GEPIK teachers' jobs are a joke that mostly consist of coming to school and either: A. desk-warming or B. playing games and/or struggling to control a classroom full of kids who won't listen. To think that we actually teach English is laughable and this decision has been long overdue.

Getting rid of the majority of GEPIK (and maybe EPIK later on) is probably the smartest financial decision the Korean government can make with this kind of economy. I'm sorry for anyone affected by this but it's the truth. "


That quotation is not on any other site on the internet.
I suspect that is your translation of something you saw in a korean newspaper or on a korean site.


In any case the problem is not foreigners and FT's, it is the way they have been under-utilised or misused by the Korean authorities.

Why is it that numerous other countries have successful english teaching programs in their government schools, and continue to do so?

Many Korean teachers are infected with racism- a historic legacy of this country- and that is why they did all they could to hamper and obstruct foreign teachers and remove funding for GEPIK/EPIK and SMOE.

The problem was never lack of money, it was the way in which money was mis-spent. In 2008 Gyeonggi was awash with government funding. more won than they knew what to do with.

It was mostly wasted on unecessary and impractical "english classrooms" (at 60M won a pop) and a computer for each student- which were quickly destroyed and trashed.

Then there were the unneeded and expensive "school guards" (many of them precisely the sort of creepy and agressive old men you would want to keep your child away from).

Then there were the daft odd bits of infrastructure- fountains and whatnot that fell apart within weeks of their construction.

Wave some government money in the air and koreans go bat crazy to get a piece piece of it.

This culture of gaining "positions" and siphoning off benefits has been prevalent in Korea for centuries. foreigners need not apply.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: Reading Reply with quote

shostahoosier wrote:
creeper1 wrote:
I was part of the GEPIK program 2008-2011. I'm surprised it is still around. It may hobble on for a while yet.

The rumor is that rural schools will continue to get funding and if you are in the countryside you needn't worry.

I saw this posted on another site.

"Most people these days (NETs and Koreans alike) know by now that EPIK/GEPIK teachers' jobs are a joke that mostly consist of coming to school and either: A. desk-warming or B. playing games and/or struggling to control a classroom full of kids who won't listen. To think that we actually teach English is laughable and this decision has been long overdue.

Getting rid of the majority of GEPIK (and maybe EPIK later on) is probably the smartest financial decision the Korean government can make with this kind of economy. I'm sorry for anyone affected by this but it's the truth. "


For sure GEPIK didn't really get much "bang for their buck" when employing NETS considering how much unproductive desk-warming they gave us.

If EPIK go the same way as GEPIK, hagwons are going to have a freaking field day.



The whole industry in Korea will go south. Laughing


Exactly what site did you see this on and who said it? I'm guessing you studied Korean journalism. Laughing

Also, if a teacher is desk warming 51% of the time they're at school, then yeah it would be a waste, but who desk warms that much? I don't even get the time to desk warm during school vacations as I'm always holding classes.

I've never thought that Korean schools needed NETs but I always thought they were nice to have. Just like those stupid, pork barrel project English Zones, a lot of schools only had NETs for show.

GEPIK needs to be dissolved. It is poorly organized and no one ever has any answers. I'm in my last few weeks teaching and I think I'm getting out at a good time.

The ESL system in Korea is going down hill only if you're depending on it for a living and you weren't smart enough to upgrade your skills/network during all that free time you apparently had doing so much desk warming. For the average 20 year old looking to travel and save for a year or two it's still a good deal.


During this bad economy many have no choice but to do just that. Also many are still paying off debts. So, spending thousands to upgrade skills is not an option for all. Glad your'e rich and had a free ride in life.
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