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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: South Korean Election |
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No posts about the South Korean election yet?
Obviously I can't vote, but I'm really disappointed that Ahn Cheol Soo didn't really stand a chance. I don't think Moon or Park are that great at all. Moon more because Korea's "left" is so virulently anti-trade and anti-US, Park because the Chaebols will officially have the keys to the kingdom. |
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TL
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder if it will get close enough for a recount. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Outcome should be known pretty quick this evening.
Neither candidate would strike me as a disastrous choice. Ahn was intriguing but potentially a loose cannon. |
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sublunari
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| The tele just called it for Park, saying it's going to be 50-48. I wrote a long blog post on this here. |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
Outcome should be known pretty quick this evening.
Neither candidate would strike me as a disastrous choice. Ahn was intriguing but potentially a loose cannon. |
Maybe disastrous isn't the right choice of words--more like status quo either way it goes, and SK is desperately in need of change. |
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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:40 am Post subject: |
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Seoul and Gyeongi-do including Incheon have voted Moon Jae-in but Busan and Daegu and most of the southern parts (except Gwangju- where Moon was born) have voted Park Geun-Hye.
Busan was like 93% in Park's favor.
What does that say?
The main news agencies have called it a slight victory for Park...
We'll know for sure in a couple of hours!
Neither candidate was inspiring for most people.
Mind you there was a high enough turnout.. close to or over 70%.
A lot more than last time out.. |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| saram_ wrote: |
Seoul and Gyeongi do including Incheon have voted Moon Jae-in but Busan and Daegu and most of the southern parts (except Gwangju- where Moon was born) have voted Park Geun-Hye.
Busan was like 93% in Park's favor.
What does that say?
The main news agencies have called it a slight victory for Park...
We'll know for sure in a couple of hours! |
Very interesting. That's pretty much what I was thinking would happen. It's really going to come down to like 2 or 3 percentage points. |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| sublunari wrote: |
| The tele just called it for Park, saying it's going to be 50-48. I wrote a long blog post on this here. |
Just read your blog post. Great stuff! |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Remember this if Park wins. This election wasn't so much decided by regionalism but by generational perspectives on Park and her father. Older voters strongly supported her and young voters didn't except for Christians and other conservatives. Plus, let's remember that much of Korea still is, fundamentally, a conservative nation. It will remain that way as long as every male serves in the military and the North continues to sink ships, launch missles, and make threats.
I would be willing to bet that a younger, blander "pro-growth" candidate on the conservative side, without Park's baggage, would have won a landslide. |
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Jimskins
Joined: 07 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
Remember this if Park wins. This election wasn't so much decided by regionalism but by generational perspectives on Park and her father. Older voters strongly supported her and young voters didn't except for Christians and other conservatives. Plus, let's remember that much of Korea still is, fundamentally, a conservative nation. It will remain that way as long as every male serves in the military and the North continues to sink ships, launch missles, and make threats.
I would be willing to bet that a younger, blander "pro-growth" candidate on the conservative side, without Park's baggage, would have won a landslide. |
I agree, but regionalism still played a significant part. Around 80%+ of Jeolla went for Moon and the same in Gyeongbuk went for Park.
I'm the first to admit that Moon doesn't have any particularly striking policies, but I'm so disappointed they chose Park. Korean's have a saying about the conservative bloc, something to do with concrete. It means that no matter how bad the candidate they will never, ever, ever break and vote for a none-conservative candidate. And unfortunately (as you highlighted) that bloc (because of the number of old people) remains at a steady 45% or so and so Saenuridang only has to pick up a few waverers to win every time.
When they've all died off things will change.
In 30 years or so...*SIGH* |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| Jimskins wrote: |
I agree, but regionalism still played a significant part. Around 80%+ of Jeolla went for Moon and the same in Gyeongbuk went for Park.
I'm the first to admit that Moon doesn't have any particularly striking policies, but I'm so disappointed they chose Park. Korean's have a saying about the conservative bloc, something to do with concrete. It means that no matter how bad the candidate they will never, ever, ever break and vote for a none-conservative candidate. And unfortunately (as you highlighted) that bloc (because of the number of old people) remains at a steady 45% or so and so Saenuridang only has to pick up a few waverers to win every time.
When they've all died off things will change.
In 30 years or so...*SIGH* |
It's not all bad if you think about it. Even if Park would have become the next president, she will be sorting our the domestic political mess and ignoring the country. She has a big burden called Lee Myung-bak.
You have two presidential candidates who are left-wing in practice. This is a good news for China who always wants a left-wing South Korean president. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:53 am Post subject: |
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A choice between a fascist and a commie. I chose the fascist because at least I can say we have a female president now. The ultimately the end result will be the same.
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| SK is desperately in need of change. |
Isn't that pretty much every country in ever election year? |
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NQ
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| sublunari wrote: |
| The tele just called it for Park, saying it's going to be 50-48. I wrote a long blog post on this here. |
Nice info on your blog. I was looking for more information in English about this election and I found more from your blog. Cool. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Which party has been eliminating foriegners in gyeong-gi and seoul from the schools? Wasn't Lee Myung Bak foriegner friendly? Not sure if this extands to Moon or Park in any way though? |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Which party has been eliminating foriegners in gyeong-gi and seoul from the schools? Wasn't Lee Myung Bak foriegner friendly? Not sure if this extands to Moon or Park in any way though? |
Both parties are very unfriendly towards foreigners like us, unless you married a Korean person.
Don't forget. Democracy is bad for everyone. Everybody should learn to dislike democracy. |
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