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wonkavite62
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: Jeollanamdo, South Korea.
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 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:52 pm Post subject: Should I Omit the BAD Hagwon From My Resume? |
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I am an experienced teacher. Coming to Korea was my first teaching job. My boss was nice, but the school had zero resources, and the youngest kids were hard to control. I was fired after a few months. I got my release letter and so on, and the director asked me to look for work in Seoul.
I left Korea. This was a while back. I had better success teaching kids in Japan and I kept the job .
Socially, I had some good fun in Korea. There were some things I really liked about the country. I made friends with a few Koreans(it does happen) and westerners. I liked working evenings, and the job was only problematic sometimes. I left Korea realising I could get another job there.
I applied to a BOE and was rejected because I hadn't completed my contract at the old hagwon. A recruiter tells me that I can just leave the hagwon off my resume. But what do you think? Is this possible? |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I left Korea realising I could get another job there. |
That is not a good idea. If you want to stay in the country, stay in the country. Don't leave and re-enter starting over again. If you get a release letter, then you can use it to get another job.
Any school that doesn't hire you is deciding not to do it, it is not a government/immigration regulation.
Keep the reference in some and omit it in others. Hagwons won't really care. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
Keep the reference in some and omit it in others. Hagwons won't really care. |
That is the point. Sometimes the reference to an old bad workplace might be bad idea. For more professional organizations like public schools a short stint reflects badly. For some places like hagwons they really do not care. So make a judgment call and apply with a appropriate resume.
I also say the length of the employment can really help. If it is a couple of months, drop it. If it is over 9 months - keep it on. It shows that you where there for a good period, then something went wrong. You really can not tell on a resume why you left a job.
Also people should be aware of one recruiter trick. They like to use something from the past to bring a potential hire down a notch or two. For example you apply for a good position a recruiter is advertising. Later you are give some good news and bad news. Bad news first your are told you where refused because a previous employer bad mouthed you to the possible employer. Or thought you are bad teacher for only working 10 months with an employer in the past.
Then the good news. The recruiter then informs you that even that you are so difficult to find a job for, as luck would have it the recruiter has a couple other jobs. True these jobs are not as good as the first, but will be fine for someone that has a bad employment history like you. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Is it still in business? If not, no worries. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:48 am Post subject: |
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What you have to be worried about is will the "Bad Hagwon" say bad things about you when a future employer contacts them. If the boss was nice then I would think it unlikely.
Another thing too, why cheat yourself of "years of experience"? It will look better on your resume and you won't have a blank space which employers kind of wonder about. |
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ibeattheborg
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: the deep blue sea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
Another thing too, why cheat yourself of "years of experience"? It will look better on your resume and you won't have a blank space which employers kind of wonder about. |
''years of experience' ? The poster said he was at the hagwon for a few months. Delete it from your resume, it's of little benefit because a few months essentially means you did not finish a contract, even hagwon directors are going to question that. |
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DosEquisXX
Joined: 04 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| If I do apply in South Korea again, I plan to keep off my experience in Korea for my job there due to the owner of the place. I mean, a year of experience X amount of years ago isn't really going to put you that far above the pack, especially when many academy owners want a bunch of yes-men who look cute rather than actual teachers. |
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ironclad80
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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I slugged it out for a year at a hellish hagwon only to find out the director was giving me a bad reference. I have no choice but to leave it off my resume from now on.
It's a shame omitting experience, but if the pros outweigh the cons then you're better off. |
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fishstick
Joined: 24 Jan 2010
Location: Portland, OR, USA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| We should all be tailoring our resumes and cover letters for different positions --so why not omit a job that you only worked at for a few months, several years ago? I see no problem in omitting experience from your resume. |
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ironclad80
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| If one chooses to omit a negative job experience on a resume, what if a new employer submits the "incomplete" resume to immigration for a new visa? Will this cause any red flags? |
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Keeper
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I have to ask. You failed in Korea and did well in Japan. Why do you want to come here again? The market is flooded with applicants. This means that many places have horrible working conditions as there is a reserve of workers to hire/fire. Are you sure you want to enter the fray again?
I think many places want young people who are easily manipulated. The fact they have no work experience in Korea is a plus to such employers. I think those are the ones you would want to avoid. So leave it on the resume and expect the search to go on for some time. It's best an employer know they can't mistreat you too much or you will quit. That's why I'd leave it on there. But it comes back to my question, are you really sure you want to come here and not Japan? |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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I don't think it matters. Usually, your first job is a stepping stone to another school. You might not get a good salary or work environment, but save up until you can move on. Negotiate a leave with a letter of release, and visit the school in person.
I found a school far from Seoul, and 6 months later applied for a new school in Seoul. If asked why I was leaving, I just said I wanted to live in Seoul or near my girlfriend. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| ironclad80 wrote: |
I slugged it out for a year at a hellish hagwon only to find out the director was giving me a bad reference. I have no choice but to leave it off my resume from now on.
It's a shame omitting experience, but if the pros outweigh the cons then you're better off. |
with references counting for so much in Korea, when are they going to find a way to stop these psycho bosses? |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Should I Omit the BAD Hagwon From My Resume? |
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| wonkavite62 wrote: |
I am an experienced teacher. Coming to Korea was my first teaching job. My boss was nice, but the school had zero resources, and the youngest kids were hard to control. I was fired after a few months. I got my release letter and so on, and the director asked me to look for work in Seoul.
I left Korea. This was a while back. I had better success teaching kids in Japan and I kept the job .
Socially, I had some good fun in Korea. There were some things I really liked about the country. I made friends with a few Koreans(it does happen) and westerners. I liked working evenings, and the job was only problematic sometimes. I left Korea realising I could get another job there.
I applied to a BOE and was rejected because I hadn't completed my contract at the old hagwon. A recruiter tells me that I can just leave the hagwon off my resume. But what do you think? Is this possible? |
When was it? Does the school still exist?
You could probably leave it off and no one would know. It's possible that the new employer would ask immigration if you've ever worked here before. Immigration might tell them that you did.
If you do put it on, tell the recruiter/school that you left the old place because they went out of business. Give the recruiter a fake name and contact number for the school. MANY hogwons are not registered under the same name that you see on the sign outside and on the letterhead. First of all the official name will be in Hangul and often it's not even related to the name that you know. If tell the recruiter a name and he can't find any record of the place, it won't likely surprise him because he'll know that the official name and English name are often different. |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I've done this before and it's not a big deal. I sometimes get asked about a big gap in my resume then I am just honest about it (I had a bad hagwon that illegally took money from my account and that it is on the record) but then they just go "Oh, I'm sorry about that!" and move on. |
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