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some waygug-in
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I doubt it. Their ideas of race seem to trump common sense in a lot of cases.
If they have to change teachers there's always an FOB whitey available.
If they were really concerned about the quality of teachers they would be demanding higher qualifications for most jobs.
As long as there are ubiquitous ads with "no experience necessary" I can't see standards improving at all. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
I doubt it. Their ideas of race seem to trump common sense in a lot of cases.
If they have to change teachers there's always an FOB whitey available.
If they were really concerned about the quality of teachers they would be demanding higher qualifications for most jobs.
As long as there are ubiquitous ads with "no experience necessary" I can't see standards improving at all. |
Yeah, but will they pay for those qualifications? Mostly, I only see jobs advertised in the low 2's same as it was 5 years ago. If Koreans seriously wanted Ed degrees and Masters with experience, they'd be offering higher salaries. But, I don't see that much. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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1) Enrollment is down across the country (low-birth rate) School's are not expanding, they are shrinking. They are not opening, they're closing.
2) Wages are stagnant. There isn't the extra cash to throw around anymore.
3) Public schools are cutting back in a big way.
4) A lot of parents are fed up with hagwons and hire tutors instead or send them to the local community centre.
5) A bunch of the teachers who were here during the boom are trying to find another position
6) 8% (really 25%) unemployment in most of the developed world
These are the reasons you are having trouble fining the job you think you deserve.
Did anyone think this would last forever? That anyone with a degree could come to Korea and make lots of money. The market is already at a point where the lack of a teaching degree or experience makes it very difficult to operate here and that will only increase in the future. Fortunately for you there are plenty alternatives, and their names are China and Vietnam |
1- 3 are pretty accurate points.
4 remains to be seen
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Regarding point 4, SO MANY hagwons have been losing students and going under lately. What in the heck is causing this?
I remember when the public school cuts took place, there was speculation this would help the hagwon industry, and lead to more jobs for foreigners there. Instead, that hope didn't materialize, and jobs for foreigners are being cut. What in the Sam Hill is going on?
Maybe parents are teaching their kids English themselves now? Or there are community centers that do this? I heard the number Filipinos in Korea is way up; many of them teach English as private tutors. Also, Korea parents can buy Skype lessons for their kids taught by a Filipino living in the Philippines. Did you hear Ban Ki Moon wrote a book (now popular in Korea) in which he said he taught English to himself (without going to a hagwon)? And did you know a group made and distributed mass amounts of flyers saying hagwons to learn English aren't the best use of one's money?
These are some possible contributing factors. Maybe there are other ones. What do you guys think/know about this? |
I've always gotten the feeling that Koreans use Fillipinos as a cheap option but don't really like using them as much as a native speaker. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| [. ALSO, aIve heard as up to 50% of those who come here, dont finish their contracts/do a runner/just go home. Its not everyones cup of tea to live overseas. |
Don't believe everything you hear. 50% on the face of it sounds ridiculous
And when the statistics WERE actually provided (2008 and 2009) the rate of those who quit early was around the 5% mark (in both years)
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I had to laugh when I did the simple math. looking at the number of teachers quitting early, going from 283 to 425 in 2008 and 2009, we see a 33.4% increase. Of course, if you look at those numbers as a percentage of the total number of teachers hired, you get different results.
283 out of 5,115 is 5.53% and 425 out of 7,631 is 5.57%. Therefore, the rate of teachers quitting early rose from 5.53% in 2008 to 5.57% in 2009 - an increase of 0.04% |
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2010/10/incorrect-statistics-depict-foreign.html |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Yeah, but will they pay for those qualifications? Mostly, I only see jobs advertised in the low 2's same as it was 5 years ago. If Koreans seriously wanted Ed degrees and Masters with experience, they'd be offering higher salaries. But, I don't see that much.[/quote]
Sadly, it seems the answer is no. I think there are higher paying jobs out there, but they are not widely advertised. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Sadly, it seems the answer is no. I think there are higher paying jobs out there, but they are not widely advertised. |
Which is what usually happens with higher paid jobs. Such employers do not mass advertise the jobs as it makes no sense. They tend to focus their ads in places where they will get the kind of applicants they want. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
As long as there are ubiquitous ads with "no experience necessary" I can't see standards improving at all. |
Lol but then Koreans would have to admit that all they want is 20 year olds who look pretty.
Real expertise scares koreans, it makes them look bad. |
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creeper1
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:16 am Post subject: fair to say |
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It's fair to say that there are still thousands of jobs available in Korea even in desirable places like Seoul. A quick look at the jobs section confirms that.
Anyone foreign with a pulse will get one.
Salaries will be around 2.6 million won.
With work on the side expect your real earnings to be around 4 million a month.
Korea really is the place to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
And if you aren't then something is wrong with you. |
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misher
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea really is the place to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. |
3500 USD a month is not very much IMO. It's ok if you are young and single with no financial obligations, but I don't want to be 45 making 3500 a month. You're also at the whim of the Korean government and can lose that "sweet gig" depending on factors that are well out of your control. Again its not a place I want to be in when I'm 45.
Then again for what a conversation teacher actually does, I suppose 3500 USD/month is "good" money. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Korea really is the place to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. |
3500 USD a month is not very much IMO. It's ok if you are young and single with no financial obligations, but I don't want to be 45 making 3500 a month. You're also at the whim of the Korean government and can lose that "sweet gig" depending on factors that are well out of your control. Again its not a place I want to be in when I'm 45.
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