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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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It's quite painful. And no I haven't abused my body with crap like that.
It's painful because you obviously haven't read even one scerrik of one study showing links between steroids and aggression. It's sad because you are showing your lack of general education, lack of higher education and lack of awareness on this issue despite having abused these drugs.
The studies clearly acknowledge that sportspeople are more aggressive.
Even in the physical effects of steroids many of these can occur without steroid use because high performance athletes in any sport put extreme stress on all parts of their bodies. Especially veins and heart.
But, those pesky PhD professors are smarter than you and I and have proven methods based on basic research methodology to find a reliable link despite these factors 'clouding' the results.
You see science is science backed with repeated wide ranging tests in hundreds of subjects year after year and they can only claim a link when they get repeated positive results that point to an obvious link.
...and Pig-headed belief is just pig headed belief - it's not backed with anything and will not believe anything except that which it wants to believe |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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So it's "ludicrous" to say that a certain profession or segment of the population may be inclined towards certain behavioural traits?
Yeah, troll on, man. Troll on.
Tell me - you have any actual experience with steroids? |
Just ignore him. He clearly is talking out of his ass and his only motivation is to drive us all nuts with his obnoxiousness. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| It's like any drug. You can take it safely or you can abuse it and overdose. Question is, are most people who take it without a prescription following a safe dosage? I don't know the answer to that one, but I would imagine that the temptation to abuse it is high. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:10 am Post subject: |
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It is never prescribed to build your muscles into a huge body or improve your athletic performance against your competitors.
At those levels doctors do not prescribe it. It has too many potential side effects.
Why do you think they are called illegal steroids? And athletes who use them are called Dopers, or steroid abusers?
They are only prescribed in small doses for injuries or conditions and for very short periods like a a couple of weeks. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:30 am Post subject: |
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Um... you know there are other countries in the world other than the US, right? Steroids are not illegal in every country - educate yourself, and stop trolling this thread with your ignorant brush strokes.
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| It's like any drug. You can take it safely or you can abuse it and overdose. Question is, are most people who take it without a prescription following a safe dosage? I don't know the answer to that one, but I would imagine that the temptation to abuse it is high. |
Yeah, I think that's a very valid concern. I would liken it to OTC pain killers. Taken in small amounts, they can "help you through something", but taken at large doses, over a very long time, and you run the risk of increased side effects - and especially with drugs of that nature, liver issues.
So the question is - how many ppl use OTC pain meds reasonably vs how many abuse them? I'm sure there are studies out there, and no doubt they vary from country to country - but I'd guess that most people use them for what they need, and then stop.
And that was my experience with steroids.
That being said, I could be projecting my very sane view onto the world. lol
I'm sure there are tons of nutters out there looking for their "next fix" - some legal, some not. |
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ewlandon
Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Location: teacher
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Um... you know there are other countries in the world other than the US, right? Steroids are not illegal in every country - educate yourself, and stop trolling this thread with your ignorant brush strokes.
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| It's like any drug. You can take it safely or you can abuse it and overdose. Question is, are most people who take it without a prescription following a safe dosage? I don't know the answer to that one, but I would imagine that the temptation to abuse it is high. |
Yeah, I think that's a very valid concern. I would liken it to OTC pain killers. Taken in small amounts, they can "help you through something", but taken at large doses, over a very long time, and you run the risk of increased side effects - and especially with drugs of that nature, liver issues.
So the question is - how many ppl use OTC pain meds reasonably vs how many abuse them? I'm sure there are studies out there, and no doubt they vary from country to country - but I'd guess that most people use them for what they need, and then stop.
And that was my experience with steroids.
That being said, I could be projecting my very sane view onto the world. lol
I'm sure there are tons of nutters out there looking for their "next fix" - some legal, some not. |
I always likened my heroin use to eating fatty foods. Moderation you know, a little bit of fat in the diet is good, too much and you die. To each their own. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Hey, if it worked for you.
Did you find that heroin was as easy to use/manage as a burger?
I mean, I have actual experience with steroids, and found that they were actually less addictive than OTC painkillers, so I'm curious as to your ACTUAL experience. I'm not interested in that drug at all, but would be in hearing about your thoughts.
Do tell.... or was that your lame attempt at a cheap shot and trolling? |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Oh yes if Steroids are so legal and healthy please tell us which country of the Seven where teachers can come from to teach in Korea, that a qualified medical doctor will legally prescribe you steroids to go and train your muscles to get huge or to outperform competitors in a sport...
...laughs...because we all know that steroids are illegal.
They are not illegal to possess but illegal to sell. Sounds like other types of soft drugs. The dual enforcement.
Wonder why the government would make steroids necessary to get through underground means? Because you cannot just go any buy them from a pharmacy in Canada, USA, UK, Ireland, Australia...
Oh that's right your roid holidays to Russia or Myanmar or Thailand for your oh so legal drugs!! come on man. They don't prosecute you for holding them for the same reasons that many countries including those mentioned do not prosecute possession of small quantities of soft drugs but do prosecute large quantities which indicate selling or dealing.
haha It's a dirty game eh |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| I have real life exp with steroids as well. I broke my arm pretty badly, and the muscle was torn and the growth plate was endangered, so the doctors proscribed a bunch of different steroids, to help the growth plate and muscles recover. They worked, but I got a severe case of acne, and my body shape changed a bit, from lean to sorta bulky. I didn't take them for that long either. Since then I have been pretty wary of them... the changes they make seem dramatic. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
Oh yes if Steroids are so legal and healthy please tell us which country of the Seven where teachers can come from to teach in Korea, that a qualified medical doctor will legally prescribe you steroids to go and train your muscles to get huge or to outperform competitors in a sport...
...laughs...because we all know that steroids are illegal.
They are not illegal to possess but illegal to sell. Sounds like other types of soft drugs. The dual enforcement.
Wonder why the government would make steroids necessary to get through underground means? Because you cannot just go any buy them from a pharmacy in Canada, USA, UK, Ireland, Australia...
Oh that's right your roid holidays to Russia or Myanmar or Thailand for your oh so legal drugs!! come on man. They don't prosecute you for holding them for the same reasons that many countries including those mentioned do not prosecute possession of small quantities of soft drugs but do prosecute large quantities which indicate selling or dealing.
haha It's a dirty game eh |
So now we're limiting the "dangers of steroids" to the E2 visa? Seriously?? WTH kind of logic is that?
You do know that steroids were used in the US for quite some time before they fell afoul of the morals police, right?
Besides, I could care less about their legality in the US. I'm not American, and have no plans to live there.
I find it really strange how you keep insisting on calling them "illegal". Sure, they may be so where you're from, but they are not in other countries. It's like you saying it's illegal to drink at 18 - maybe where you're from, but not in other places.
Are you really so limited in your experiences to not realize that?
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Stilicho, yeah, they can be used for that sort of thing. In fact, they're great for recovery. I do hope your doctors were advising you while "on" them though - that potential change in body shape can be alarming - especially if you're somewhat restricted in mobility (for example, after an accident).
As to the topic at hand... by any chance did you rage and murder anyone when on them? |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Corea nicely avoids admitting the fact he has to import his steroids from a Developing country.
As we all know steroid abusers live a shady life needing to import their drugs from offshore sources because they are not able to be legally sold or prescribed in Western countries.
Ah for the roid holiidays... |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| I had a number of rage quits with NHL 93. However, it was roughly at the same frequency that I was doing it before. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| Acne is listed in the scientific research (which Corea has never bothered to read yet) alongside increased aggression and hypomania as short term side effects of steroid use. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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hahaha
Gotta love the attacks this guy is trying. Lame, but funny a the same time.
Why does this remind me of the congressional hearings on the subject? lol
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stilicho, I can relate. FF7 drove me bonkers. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| Oh yes if Steroids are so legal and healthy please tell us which country of the Seven where teachers can come from to teach in Korea, that a qualified medical doctor will legally prescribe you steroids to go and train your muscles to get huge or to outperform competitors in a sport... |
Used to be one could get anything OTC in Korea. That changed in 2000 or so. Doctors didn't like being kept out of the loop, so they heavily lobbied the government to change that. Thanks to the doctors' "concern for public health", you now need a prescription for practically everything, even meds which should be OTC (try getting some Claritin, a commonly used antihistamine in North America, without a prescription. Not gonna happen).
Returning to your question. I read that one can currently get anabolic steroids in Korea with a prescription...or OTC from a vet. Don't know if that info is accurate, but if it is, it's clearly not as illegal as you claim. |
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