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Americans and Canadians Among Least Law Abiding in Korea?
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Kepler



Joined: 24 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:16 am    Post subject: Americans and Canadians Among Least Law Abiding in Korea? Reply with quote

"According to the study, entitled 'Research into Crime and Public Safety in Areas with a High Concentration of Foreigners,' the Mongolian community had 7,064 criminals per 100,000 Mongolians in 2011, followed by the American community (6,756 per 100,000), Canadians (4,124 per 100,000) and Russians (3,785 per 100,000). These rates were higher than both the general foreigner rate of criminality of 2,763 per 100,000 and the Korean rate of criminality of 3,692 per 100,000."
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2013/02/incorrect-statistics-portray-americans.html

So nearly 7% of Americans in Korea are criminals (almost double the Korean rate)? A Canadian is more likely to commit a crime than a Russian in Korea? This is according to a recently released study by the Korea Institute of Criminology as reported by the Herald Kyeongje.

The above blog exposes how the authors of the study got creative with their math. They divided the total number of foreign criminals of a certain nationality by the number of foreigners in that group who had registered with their local immigration office. Not all foreigners, however, have to register with their local immigration office. So they counted all foreign criminals but only a fraction of the law abiding. USFK soldiers and civilian employees, for example, were not counted unless they had committed a crime. The same goes for tourists here less than 90 days.
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Deja



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A study is never there to be useful to the general public, but to a certain view Smile
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why you should not participate in any survey quested by Koreans posing as graduate students doing some sort of research about foreigners. Tell 'em to go to hell.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was Koreans who are the least law-abiding in Korea. After all, isn't that what the statistics (compiled by actual researchers, not some agenda-driven student) indicate? The foreigner crime rate is actually lower than the Korean crime rate. And, of course, the type of crime committed by those few foreign criminals who happen to be American or Canadian, is generally nowhere near the gravity of the crimes committed by Korean criminals.
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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stats on Canadians and Russians don't mean anything because there isn't anywhere near a 100,000 of either group in Korea. I don't know how many Mongolians are here but I also doubt it's a large number.

Total crimes by nationality is what really matters. My guess is that the Chinese and Americans will top the list because there are so many of them in Korea.
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
I thought it was Koreans who are the least law-abiding in Korea. After all, isn't that what the statistics (compiled by actual researchers, not some agenda-driven student) indicate? The foreigner crime rate is actually lower than the Korean crime rate. And, of course, the type of crime committed by those few foreign criminals who happen to be American or Canadian, is generally nowhere near the gravity of the crimes committed by Korean criminals.

The study was done by the Korean Institute of Criminology, a government-sponsored research institute.
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Julius



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
The foreigner crime rate is actually lower than the Korean crime rate. And, of course, the type of crime committed by those few foreign criminals who happen to be American or Canadian, is generally nowhere near the gravity of the crimes committed by Korean criminals.


I also wonder how many of the foreign criminals are actually innocent.

I mean if some drunk ajosshi attacks you then lies to the cops, then you become part of the foreign criminal group.
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
The stats on Canadians and Russians don't mean anything because there isn't anywhere near a 100,000 of either group in Korea. I don't know how many Mongolians are here but I also doubt it's a large number.

Total crimes by nationality is what really matters. My guess is that the Chinese and Americans will top the list because there are so many of them in Korea.

Chinese committed 15,677 crimes in 2011. Americans committed 1,788 crimes in that year.

Looking more closely at the numbers, I see how they came up with such a high crime rate for Americans.

1,788 crimes committed by Americans/26,466 registered Americans in Korea= a crime rate of 6.756%

However, if you include all law abiding Americans in Korea you get a much lower crime rate:

1,788 crimes committed by Americans/132,133 Americans in Korea= a crime rate of 1.353%
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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sorts of crimes are the Koreans talking about? Parking tickets? Speeding tickets? Murders? Rapes?
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except for driving through an occasional red light or illegally parking, I've never broken any laws. So, speak for yourself and not for me.
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Paddycakes



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing that 99 percent of the so-called crimes are just "bar fights" or stupid little stuff like that.

Any serious crime committed by a foreigner, like rape or drugs, usually makes big news, and they're fairly rare.


Besides, what crime are you going to commit here?

Rob a 7-11?

Rob a bank?
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm guessing that 99 percent of the so-called crimes are just "bar fights" or stupid little stuff like that.

Any serious crime committed by a foreigner, like rape or drugs, usually makes big news, and they're fairly rare.


Besides, what crime are you going to commit here?

Rob a 7-11?


This. I'm guessing a lot of the American "crimes" are overstaying a visa 3 days past expiration date or being involved in a fender bender where they decide to take the matter to court rather than paying blood money.
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Squire



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fairness Americans have a load of idiot army guys here.
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Kepler



Joined: 24 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squire wrote:
In fairness Americans have a load of idiot army guys here.

That doesn't make it okay for a highly respected group of professional researchers to fabricate statistics about crimes involving foreigners.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squire wrote:
In fairness Americans have a load of idiot army guys here.


The British have army personel there also. I've met several there.
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