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E-7 or F-2 options?

 
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ballor



Joined: 22 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:37 am    Post subject: E-7 or F-2 options? Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm a Polish citizen living in the UK, and I'm engaged to a Korean girl. Lately she's been feeling quite homesick and we've been talking about moving to Korea for a few years, or maybe even permanently. Unfortunately I am ineligible for British citizenship so the standard E-2 ESL route in Korea is out of the question for me; so, I'd appreciate any information about what my employment options would be through an F-2 or E-7 visa.

I run a small newspaper for the Polish community in my city and I am trilingual to native level (English, Polish, and Russian). I speak some Korean, sufficient for basic conversation for now, working on improving it. I have several years of experience in translation and writing-related jobs, and studying towards a BA degree part-time. On to the actual questions:

1. Is it at all possible to get an E-7 without holding a university degree? I've read a lot of conflicting information about this, from masters being almost necessary to BA+a few years expertise as requirements, to random people getting it by virtue of employer sponsorship.

2. How likely would a person with fluency in my languages (taking something like IELTS or whatever tests to prove it wouldn't be a problem, and I know for a fact I'd have highest marks on these tests) to find language-related jobs in Korea?

3. Would going to Korea in person on a visitor or job-seeker visa and looking for a potential E-7 sponsor while in country be worthwhile in my situation?

4. If getting an E-7 is unlikely with my current qualifications, would completing my BA improve my chances? My major is in English & Linguistics, at the same time I'm working towards the UK teachers' license thing and considering taking on some official translator qualifications.

5. Assuming we get officially married, would I be able to find work as a language instructor at a Hagwon, keeping in mind that I do not have an English passport or a degree, but I can easily get a TEFL or CELTA certificate. If no, would finishing my degree (but still not being an English citizen) allow me to get work as a language instructor through an F-2 visa?


I would sincerely appreciate any advice on my situation; either on the questions listed above, or any other avenues worth exploring. We are quite well-off financially and I don't mind spending a small fortune while looking for work and settling in there, but I'd have to work eventually; besides, getting married for an F-2 is really a last resort option as both me and my fianc�e would rather wait with marriage until we are clearly settled on one spot etc and without marriage, I'd need some sort of a long-term visa to even stay in Korea...

Thanks in advance for your time!
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest that as you are not a passport holder from the UK, you may find difficulties but that is not to suggest that you don't have the potential to be a teacher in Korea.

If you are married to a Korean and you are able to get an F2 Visa combined with completing a CELTA, you will have little worries. Some mom and pop hagwons will see your nationality as an issue but some of the more reputable institutions will see it as a possible asset.

You should try to complete your degree as this will always benefit you and to be an English teacher, you need a degree and the CELTA will complement this.

You don't know it if you don't try it. I am sure Ttompatz will help though with anything that I have missed or misunderstood.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: E-7 or F-2 options? Reply with quote

ballor wrote:
1. Is it at all possible to get an E-7 without holding a university degree? I've read a lot of conflicting information about this, from masters being almost necessary to BA+a few years expertise as requirements, to random people getting it by virtue of employer sponsorship.

2. How likely would a person with fluency in my languages (taking something like IELTS or whatever tests to prove it wouldn't be a problem, and I know for a fact I'd have highest marks on these tests) to find language-related jobs in Korea?

3. Would going to Korea in person on a visitor or job-seeker visa and looking for a potential E-7 sponsor while in country be worthwhile in my situation?

4. If getting an E-7 is unlikely with my current qualifications, would completing my BA improve my chances? My major is in English & Linguistics, at the same time I'm working towards the UK teachers' license thing and considering taking on some official translator qualifications.

5. Assuming we get officially married, would I be able to find work as a language instructor at a Hagwon, keeping in mind that I do not have an English passport or a degree, but I can easily get a TEFL or CELTA certificate. If no, would finishing my degree (but still not being an English citizen) allow me to get work as a language instructor through an F-2 visa?


1) is it possible to get an E7 without a degree?
Yes, in some fields. Are you a professional chef?
For all practical purposes, realistically, no. You won't get an E7 without a degree or some expertise in some field that cannot be done by a Korean.

2) Without that UK passport and not having a degree you are facing a challenge that is virtually insurmountable regardless of your ability. The degree is a requirement for ALL teachers (so even an E2 to teach Russian or Polish or anything else isn't an option either). It also rules out most work as a translator, journalist or editor (basically everything language related) with a proper visa.

3) No.

4) Yes. A degree at least opens up some doors. Having QTS opens up a lot more doors (E7 as a proper teacher and not E2 - teacher of other languages). It also opens up doors in other fields related to language.

5) Yes. A degree coupled with an F6 (marriage visa) will allow you to work as a language teacher. The key is the degree. Without it, it would still be illegal to work as a teacher (MOE issue not immigration issue).

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12ax7



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: E-7 or F-2 options? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:


5) Yes. A degree coupled with an F6 (marriage visa) will allow you to work as a language teacher. The key is the degree. Without it, it would still be illegal to work as a teacher (MOE issue not immigration issue).

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Wouldn't he be able to register as a tutor with an F-6? I thought the minimum qualification for such a license is a high school diploma.
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oppa637



Joined: 05 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me to get my E-7, I was told I needed a degree and proof of 2 years experience working.

If you are coming, I believe your only chance is to get married and get a F visa to work here.
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ballor



Joined: 22 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot for the responses. Guess she'll just have to be patient while I'm working on my degree, then.

One last question: is a degree required by MOE to give private lessons also? Or would it be possible to do that on a marriage visa?
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:47 am    Post subject: Re: E-7 or F-2 options? Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
ttompatz wrote:


5) Yes. A degree coupled with an F6 (marriage visa) will allow you to work as a language teacher. The key is the degree. Without it, it would still be illegal to work as a teacher (MOE issue not immigration issue).

.


Wouldn't he be able to register as a tutor with an F-6? I thought the minimum qualification for such a license is a high school diploma.


I thought the minimum was 2 years of tertiary education for MOE requirements. It is for Koreans in any event.
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alongway



Joined: 02 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: E-7 or F-2 options? Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
12ax7 wrote:
ttompatz wrote:


5) Yes. A degree coupled with an F6 (marriage visa) will allow you to work as a language teacher. The key is the degree. Without it, it would still be illegal to work as a teacher (MOE issue not immigration issue).

.


Wouldn't he be able to register as a tutor with an F-6? I thought the minimum qualification for such a license is a high school diploma.


I thought the minimum was 2 years of tertiary education for MOE requirements. It is for Koreans in any event.

As i've been told, MoE only requires you be a high school grad, but that only applies to tutoring children (why couldn't a recent high school grad tutor other high school kids in a high school subject?)

Tutoring adults is not a MoE issue. Business license and tax number only.
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ballor



Joined: 22 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, thanks for all the replies, this is something to consider. One more thing; could the "business", D-8 I think, visa be an option? I recall hearing that some of the online content writer folks in Korea used that to stay there continually, it seems a little too... simple to be true? From what I'm reading, you just need 50million won in a bank account and a lease of... pretty much any kind of a space in Korea to get it?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

100 million... went up a few years ago.

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ballor



Joined: 22 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mm, that's a little less simple then. Do you just need to have that money in your account at the time of application / period of a few months, though? I could probably pull that together without getting into 'official' loans if it's just a temporary thing, and I'd prefer that route over marriage, I think. I assume being on that visa would mean I can only engage in whatever work outlined in the business idea, but that shouldn't be too much of an issue anyway, and after a few years we might end up marrying or I could opt for the points visa - after spending more time in the country to improve my language skills and having an easier time deciding whether I really want to settle there for a longer period.
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