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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| I am just glad that I don't work with the OP as he sounds like he is unwilling to be flexible and jump into any situation with two feet. He obviously missed Wales too much and needed his much needed leeks. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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You could have given it a week or two.
2 days?
There's no way they can force you to pay back the airfare, but
it would be the honorable thing for you to do.
Just wondering what you hoped to gain by posting your story on here,
as I posted earlier most of us have been through much worse, stuck it out
and survived. (some even thrive on the nuttiness) |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012 Location: We Are The World!
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
You could have given it a week or two.
2 days?
There's no way they can force you to pay back the airfare, but
it would be the honorable thing for you to do.
Just wondering what you hoped to gain by posting your story on here,
as I posted earlier most of us have been through much worse, stuck it out
and survived. (some even thrive on the nuttiness) |
I think that is key, although the term might be 'some even thrive on the flexible working conditions' or 'unstructured day-to-day responsibilities' or, even, 'absolute ****ing chaos'.
It is a good life for many, OP, but in no way is it good for all. I doubt a large % of the population would have the patience to learn how to build websites.
Yesterday I was speaking to another NET who cut his teeth here; apparently the usual process for noobs in Korea is to throw them in the deep and and see if they can swim. That's news to me, I started in a Chinese public school where they gave me all the help I needed (PM me if you want the details, OP, as I was 32 at the time), starting on 2 lessons a week and building up over 3 months to 22, with an assistant in the class at all times. When I came to Korea I already had 4 years of experience so I got job in a good school. |
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yfb
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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I could understand if OP had endured months and months of abuse and ill-treatment from his hagwon.
But his entitled attitude, combined with the fact that he was in the country for 48 hours before leaving, and combined with the fact he thought he was doing the company a favor by repaying airfare is disgusting.
Let's list the grievances OP had with his hagwon that were apparently worthy of wasting everyone's time and money over.
1. "They left me in an empty room with no study aids!"
2. "The other native teachers didn't want to babysit me and hold my hand every step of the way!"
3. "The other native teachers ignored me!"
4. "They didn't buy pots for my apartment!"
5. "I didn't know the water was safe to drink! I had to buy bottled water!"
6. "I had to learn songs and stories on the fly upside down!" <- this one I just don't get
7. "I wasn't enrolled in orientation the instant I stepped off the plane!"
Guess what? When I started, I was thrown in a classroom of 30 6th graders with no instructions, a half-baked curriculum, and no other orientation other than "teach the children". I arrived in March, and my "orientation" was in June. That's three months of on the job experience. That's normal in Korea. I was certainly stressed and miserable. But I stuck with it and I'm a better person for it. That's life.
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| If I could have stayed I would. |
What kind of nonsense is this? You absolutely could have stayed, but you ran away. How do you know they wouldn't have trained you in Grapeseed? Was it such an insurmountable challenge to plan 40-50 minutes of games and activities for the children to do in the meantime? You had bought stories and other materials with you right there!
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You can't blame the OP for not knowing how to teach and specifically teach the "Grapeseed" system which even I was even unfamiliar with. This is taken from their website:
WHAT IS INVOLVED IN THE TEACHER TRAINING?
Since GrapeSEED is a comprehensive learning system, it�s important to train teachers to make sure they are delivering the curriculum most effectively. A certified GrapeSEED instruction team will lead teachers through a five-day training course. The interactive, hands-on training covers the objectives of the various levels of the curriculum and shows teachers how they can customize
It seems you would need some training which the OP said was not offered. |
The thing is, OP had a hissy fit and ran away after 48 hours. [/list] |
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tremault
Joined: 25 Sep 2012
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| yfb wrote: |
| I could understand if OP had endured months and months of abuse and ill-treatment from his hagwon. |
Why would anyone choose this?!
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| But his entitled attitude, combined with the fact that he was in the country for 48 hours before leaving, and combined with the fact he thought he was doing the company a favor by repaying airfare is disgusting. |
That is not Disgusting. If they weren't happy with me for whatever reason, made my life hell and manipulated me into getting fired, would they pay me back all the expenses I incurred? (I think I spent over �300 to prepare all my documents etc)
The school is a company. you said it yourself. They took a risk on a valuable resource and they neglected that resource. If I was running a company and I employed a member of staff from overseas at GREAT EXPENSE, I would see it as my responsibility that that member of staff was comfortable and well looked after. This is PEOPLE we're talking about. the very basic HR responsibilities is morale and training and making sure the staff are getting along well. In my contract and I suspect most contracts, it is made clear it is a contract of free will. we are not slaves! we are free human beings each of us with needs. Now, I kinda exaggerated on a few things, I ought to be clear that I actually didn't expect a lot from them, but the fact they didn't appear to give a crap about their member of staff, makes me lose sympathy for them.
When I was in university, we had foreign students come to our country and we looked after them. it wasn't even our business to worry about them but they were a guest in our country and we saw it as our responsibility as hosts to look after them and make sure they were comfortable and welcomed. Sure it's not OWED to them, but let's face it, if somebody has a crappy time, they are more likely to go home. The fact that some people here are willing to 'tough it out' says a lot more about you guys than it does about me. it says that you are determined people who have a vested interest in Korea or Teaching or Adventure etc. whatever it is that you aimed for, whatever it is that got you through the tough times, good job, congratulations. I am happy for you.
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Guess what? When I started, I was thrown in a classroom of 30 6th graders with no instructions, a half-baked curriculum, and no other orientation other than "teach the children". I arrived in March, and my "orientation" was in June. That's three months of on the job experience. That's normal in Korea. I was certainly stressed and miserable. But I stuck with it and I'm a better person for it. That's life.
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I might have thrived in that situation. but the minimal instruction I was given was pretty much to use the grapeseed materials, to read and sing and that is it. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:36 am Post subject: |
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OP.....you lasted 2 DAYS and ran out.
Whatever your reasons are (and they are not very good), you packed it in after 2 days, this is all on you.
Good luck with whatever you choose to do in the future but do not try to paint this any differently than what it is please. These attempts at justifying your actions are just helping to sink you further. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012 Location: We Are The World!
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| I thought the last post from tremault was rather good. If you want to make a better pizza you prepare and look after your ingredients well. If you're just after the money you feed people any old **** and hope they won't notice. |
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Lazio
Joined: 15 Dec 2010
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| tremault wrote: |
| I might have thrived in that situation. but the minimal instruction I was given was pretty much to use the grapeseed materials, to read and sing and that is it. |
LOL, you couldn�t �teach� (read: follow the materials) grapeseed? I would say that a monkey could do it but it isn�t fair since they can�t read or speak in English. That is pretty much all you need. |
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Dog Soldier
Joined: 29 Sep 2010
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Please do not use your Welshness as an excuse for you running out. It may have been the way you were raised but it's certainly not the way I (a fellow Welshman) was raised.
As for you heading home after 2 days. I honestly think it was the wrong thing to do and you should have at least given it a few weeks to see if it really was for you but that is by the by now. As far as you know, the orientation, the pots and the native teacher thing could have been sorted a few days later, but you didn't really give the situation enough time to play through.
To answer your original post...no they can't do anything and on the strength of your posts I assume you have no intention to ever return to Korea. So who cares? |
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tremault
Joined: 25 Sep 2012
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Dog Soldier wrote: |
Please do not use your Welshness as an excuse for you running out. It may have been the way you were raised but it's certainly not the way I (a fellow Welshman) was raised.
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I wasn't using our culture as an excuse, I was using it to illustrate that we are all from different backgrounds and have different social and cultural expectations as a result of that and other factors. |
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Can we lock this thread as it is becoming a tit-for-tat debate? Just a waste of web space at the end of the day. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry guys, if you were not sure about the full reasons for my leaving, you can simply ask. I wasn't writing the topic about that specifically.
since you asked,
I was asked to start work pretty much the moment I arrived with zero training. I made it clear to them throughout the process that I had not taught children before, that I had not had training in TEFL and that I would be travelling completely alone. The other teachers there gave minimal direction as to where I should be and what I should be doing, left me in an empty room with no idea what to do, no study/training materials, then expected to teach children who came in unannounced with a Korean teacher who doesn't speak English. I had zero support with how to get by in an area where I don't understand the language. I made this clear to them and asked them if they could recommend a place I could go for information, they pretty much brushed me off. At the end of the working day and at the weekend, they knew I didn't know anybody or the language, they knew I was completely alone and they didn't give a crap. The other Native English teacher there pretty much ignored me. I made it clear to them throughout the process that I was new to it, new to Korea, and would have difficulty settling in and they treated me like a piece of equipment.
I didn't really want to go into all of that (along with many other things) because that was not the point of this topic, but please do not assume that I was just some punk cowboy going for a free holiday. |
That sounds like my first year here. Working at a kindy with no experience except I didn't have another foreign teacher there. The exact same things happened to me about Korean kindy teachers coming in unannounced and co teachers not being able to really help you. However, I just made due with what I had. Some people's expectations are too high. |
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jjajangmyun
Joined: 31 Aug 2011 Location: way down south!
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| OP sounds like some punk cowgirl going for a free holiday. |
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bookworm
Joined: 22 Jun 2011
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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I�m going to chime is as someone who has both taught and done the hiring and firing.
You need to ask for the things you need in Korea. Unfortunately it is very common for teachers to be thrown in at the deep end. It�s not best policy, but it does happen and far more than it should. This is when you need to ask your co-workers for help if management won�t give you any. When it comes to household things again you need to ask, and keep asking until someone listens.
Now, I don�t think the way your recruiter approached this was the best, but the school do have an argument to ask for the refund of airfare. A lot of schools have a contractual obligation of six months before it becomes non-refundable. Do you have a copy of your contract? What does the clause on airfare say? I know you feel the school broke the contract first due to their lack of support, but did you bring this up with them and try to mediate the problem?
Also if you do decide to return to Korea and need a letter of release you may not get it. I was once told by immigration not to issue one to a teacher who left my last school. That�s not to say we listened, but note that it is advice they may give the school.
Also, as a fellow Brit I think somebody seriously overcharged you if you ended up paying that much for your documents. |
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busanliving
Joined: 29 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Op probably used one of those seriously overcharged sercices for their documents as they are incapable of doing anything on their own.
As a Brit I am very ashamed a fellow Brit has come to Korea and stolen from their employer with no serious justification apart from the fact you wanted to be babysat and that didn't happen. Your co-teachers probably assumed that at 32 you knew how to look after yourself, we're capable of buying a pan (they probably didn't even know you didn't have one) and would ask if you needed help. Asking for a library wouldn't do you much good, and many places don't have a tourist information. |
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