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salutbonjour
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I'd like to thank ThePoet for their reply. I'd also like to thank PRagic for giving their perspective.
I'm glad to hear that I'm wrong about the cost of doing a PhD, as an Australian its something that you never think about so when I heard that figure, I believed it.
I really believe that a PhD is a classless degree, if you do good research, it will be recognised, no matter how you complete the degree, or from which university. |
No one, NO ONE, will read your research. It boils down to how much you can publish (they will read/count your articles) and the name of your school. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
I'd like to thank ThePoet for their reply. I'd also like to thank PRagic for giving their perspective.
I'm glad to hear that I'm wrong about the cost of doing a PhD, as an Australian its something that you never think about so when I heard that figure, I believed it.
I really believe that a PhD is a classless degree, if you do good research, it will be recognised, no matter how you complete the degree, or from which university. |
No one, NO ONE, will read your research. It boils down to how much you can publish (they will read/count your articles) and the name of your school. |
You're partly right. I meant to say the quality of research you show yourself of being able to produce. Which will confirmed by your publications.
As for the name of your school, a leading university in Seoul has a PhD graduate unemployment rate of over 30%. Sure some of this could be caused by research areas, but in Korea this university is the holly grail and they don't get jobs. Name of school matters less the higher you go up the ladder in my opinion, even here in Korea. |
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Spongebob Squarepants
Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Location: You wanna see my caring face?, ROK
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More food for thought:
It's often not where you did your PhD that matters, but who you did it with. Fields like ours are insular and cliquey, and if you are/were someone's supervisee they will pull strings so that you have a leg up when it comes to conference presentations, article submissions, book chapters in edited volumes, job opportunities, etc. I'm speaking from first-hand experience because I've been on the receiving end of this kind of favoritism, but I often wonder about those who try to go it alone.
What one poster said about the PhD simply being the start is absolutely correct. Once it is in-hand people are then looking for how 'productive' you are in terms of research and publishing. Most good entry level tenure track jobs won't even consider applicants who have not published at least 3 or 4 good articles. I too have met people teaching here with PhDs, even in English or App. Ling., but for one reason or another they do not publish so they are not competitive and likely never will be.
This system which favors research over teaching is the unfortunate norm in most places besides community colleges. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| The reason you do a PhD in Korea is to get connections. If you work in a university and do your PhD in another your network is twice as big. Doing an online PhD in Korea seems a little pointless. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
| The reason you do a PhD in Korea is to get connections. If you work in a university and do your PhD in another your network is twice as big. Doing an online PhD in Korea seems a little pointless. |
Unless you want to expand your horizons beyond Korea.
Spongebob Squarepants hit the nail on the head. Although I was surprised to see a trend in the department at the first university I attended (in the top 50 in the world) where a lot of the lecturers have PhD's in Economics as well as M.Ed's. Obviously the focus has become both teaching and research. |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Very true Spongebob, however...there are some very well respected full time and even emeritus professors who have a very good reputation in their fields who also teach distance courses. I have been taught by three professors in my Masters who are world-recognized as leaders in pedagogy, educational technology, and adult learning, and have been recommended for journal articles and awards by them. In my Doctorate, I was fortunate enough to be taught by a recognized pioneer in the field of instructional design.
I also wanted to mention to PRagic who said that not being on campus ensures you give up things like curriculum development and research assisting...one of the people I went through the Masters program with became a graduate assistant for that Masters program, has now completed her doctorate and is teaching in the program. While I agree that many universities don't look at their distance students in the pool of research assistants, it can happen.
As for curriculum design and development type experiences, most people who go through a Doctorate via distance are usually adults who have no time to attend a B&M school because of work/home issues. I'll be the first to admit the distance route isn't for someone who went straight from high school to a bachelors to their masters and now want a doctorate with no life experiences. Ph.D. learners are usually established in their field of work. For instance, the OP is already teaching, so he has an idea of setting up lessons and how they relate to curriculum. I was creating modular courses in a high school before I took my first Master's course and was head-hunted for instructional design before I even graduated.
| Spongebob Squarepants wrote: |
More food for thought:
It's often not where you did your PhD that matters, but who you did it with. Fields like ours are insular and cliquey, and if you are/were someone's supervisee they will pull strings so that you have a leg up when it comes to conference presentations, article submissions, book chapters in edited volumes, job opportunities, etc. I'm speaking from first-hand experience because I've been on the receiving end of this kind of favoritism, but I often wonder about those who try to go it alone.
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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That's fair. It looked like the OP was suggesting he did a online PhD from a Korean university.
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| The reason you do a PhD in Korea is to get connections. If you work in a university and do your PhD in another your network is twice as big. Doing an online PhD in Korea seems a little pointless. |
Unless you want to expand your horizons beyond Korea.
Spongebob Squarepants hit the nail on the head. Although I was surprised to see a trend in the department at the first university I attended (in the top 50 in the world) where a lot of the lecturers have PhD's in Economics as well as M.Ed's. Obviously the focus has become both teaching and research. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
I'd like to thank ThePoet for their reply. I'd also like to thank PRagic for giving their perspective.
I really believe that a PhD is a classless degree, if you do good research, it will be recognised, no matter how you complete the degree, or from which university. |
I'll give you some further perspective, no one gives a shit about your "research".
And let's be honest here, there is no new research in TESOL. What we know in the social sciences and education was largely a result of studies from the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's. What we've learned since then hasn't changed - much. Not like in the hard sciences of chemistry and physics, etc.
What you will see in TESOL, however, is a lot of careerism, self-promotion and recycling and re-packaging of ideas and trends. But no new or original research. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
I'd like to thank ThePoet for their reply. I'd also like to thank PRagic for giving their perspective.
I really believe that a PhD is a classless degree, if you do good research, it will be recognised, no matter how you complete the degree, or from which university. |
I'll give you some further perspective, no one gives a shit about your "research".
And let's be honest here, there is no new research in TESOL. What we know in the social sciences and education was largely a result of studies from the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's. What we've learned since then hasn't changed - much. Not like in the hard sciences of chemistry and physics, etc.
What you will see in TESOL, however, is a lot of careerism, self-promotion and recycling and re-packaging of ideas and trends. But no new or original research. |
And you know this because????
Let me guess you're a successful science researcher who turned their back on hard science and large research grants to do a PhD in TESOL and now you're bitter because the thousands of journal articles you researched were all the same? |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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Well, I am no expert in TESOL, but I can think of several research topics off the top of my head:
CALL - Advantages, Disadvantages, Effectiveness
Using Inquiry based learning for ESL
ESL in Virtual Worlds
The Learner as Creator of English
Effectiveness of VOIP in an ESL Context
A Comparison of Cultures related to ESL Motivation
Practitioners of ESL - What Makes a Super Teacher
Baby-Boomers vs. Mellenials - A Comparison of Obstacles in ESL Delivery
Why Jaded ESL Tteachers Still Teach
...and so on
Especially with newer technologies such as MOOC's, Podcasts, and virtual worlds as well as emerging technologies like GoogleGlass, Smartphone use, etc., I would imagine the opportunities for doctoral research would be endless....but then, I'm no expert.
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
I'd like to thank ThePoet for their reply. I'd also like to thank PRagic for giving their perspective.
I really believe that a PhD is a classless degree, if you do good research, it will be recognised, no matter how you complete the degree, or from which university. |
I'll give you some further perspective, no one gives a shit about your "research".
And let's be honest here, there is no new research in TESOL. What we know in the social sciences and education was largely a result of studies from the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's. What we've learned since then hasn't changed - much. Not like in the hard sciences of chemistry and physics, etc.
What you will see in TESOL, however, is a lot of careerism, self-promotion and recycling and re-packaging of ideas and trends. But no new or original research. |
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