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Not Attracted To Koreans = (Quasi)Racism?
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fionnjameson wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Christ, Americans are obsessed with race.


DUUUUDE. Where the hell are you from? Even deep South, like Shreveport Louisiana, NO ONE is going to care if you're mixed.


In a recent survey, almost half of Mississippi Republican voters polled said interracial marriage should be illegal.
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komerican



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Not Attracted To Koreans = (Quasi)Racism? Reply with quote

metalhead wrote:
I was having a conversation with my new co-teacher the other day, and when he found out that I have a girlfriend, he was curious as to why I would have a white girlfriend in Korea. I mean, I had no idea there was a stipulation here that having a Korean girlfriend was essential to one's experience here.

Basically long story short, I told him that I am only attracted to white girls, and that while many Korean women are attractive, I have no interest in them at all due to the way they act, the boring convos etc - basically just said our cultures are too different and that I, as an ugly fellow, rely on my personality more than the color of my skin to 'get' girls.

End of story, I was told that I am racist. Fair enough. Everything is racist these days, I mean, I would not want to bring mixed-blood kids into this world, because it is unfair and in my opinion cruel to them. Talk about a loss of identity.

I know that I am dealing with the 'open-minded' PC crowd here, but good lord man, being attracted to one's own race makes one racist now? It's utterly ridiculous; saying that I don't like black American culture for instance does not mean that I am racist. I guess Korea is too influenced by America (hello rubbish cheese! Hello Taco Bell!) and is obsessed with race.

I never knew that as a white man, I would be in the wrong for dating a white girl. I must be an anachronism.


The Korean guy was probably just trying to have a "guy moment" with you, trying to get a sense of you and you went and reacted with over the top brutal honesty. Giving too much truth in certain situations is ridiculous, there's something called having tact which you oughtta look into. hahaha...He calling you a racist is more a function of not knowing how to respond to you. What he probably meant to say was, "wow, you're something weird s,as a guy I can't compute, and ugly to boot, hahaha." but he being Korean probably didn't want to be as completely honest with you as you were to him. lol.

In another sense though seriously I appreciate your honesty at least here on this board where tact and being polite are not at all prerequisites to posting. People can be honest here and that's what i like about Dave's. It would be a good thing though if we could afford Koreans the same freedom to have their opinions about all Westerners in the same way you have about Korean women. I really don�t think that�s too much to ask. It just seems though, unfortunately, that if a Korean has in any way a negative opinion of Westerners then they are automatically labelled a racist or a xenophobe, which is very unfair. I'm not saying everyone does that, though.
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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was ready to support your position then you sprout this mixed race stuff. obviously you're a Korean troll.

WT is race?

As an Australian I have Italian, English, Irish, Scottish, and Austrian heritage, that I know about. Should you believe that the Irish and the English are the same race, I invite you to go to any pub in Ireland and sprout that view.

The only way to prevent race mixing is called in-breeding, even the royal family of the biggest xenophobes in the world the Japanese admitted that when they took Korean wives.
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes at this thread.
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
Rolling Eyes at this thread.

or "me, me, me"
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: Not Attracted To Koreans = (Quasi)Racism? Reply with quote

metalhead wrote:
I was having a conversation with my new co-teacher the other day, and when he found out that I have a girlfriend, he was curious as to why I would have a white girlfriend in Korea. I mean, I had no idea there was a stipulation here that having a Korean girlfriend was essential to one's experience here.

Basically long story short, I told him that I am only attracted to white girls, and that while many Korean women are attractive, I have no interest in them at all due to the way they act, the boring convos etc - basically just said our cultures are too different and that I, as an ugly fellow, rely on my personality more than the color of my skin to 'get' girls.

End of story, I was told that I am racist. Fair enough. Everything is racist these days, I mean, I would not want to bring mixed-blood kids into this world, because it is unfair and in my opinion cruel to them. Talk about a loss of identity.

I know that I am dealing with the 'open-minded' PC crowd here, but good lord man, being attracted to one's own race makes one racist now? It's utterly ridiculous; saying that I don't like black American culture for instance does not mean that I am racist. I guess Korea is too influenced by America (hello rubbish cheese! Hello Taco Bell!) and is obsessed with race.

I never knew that as a white man, I would be in the wrong for dating a white girl. I must be an anachronism.


I think the way you talked about Koreans to a Korean would understandably offend them. You could have just said that you're happy with your girlfriend, and you know your own culture better. I would maybe take issue with your comments about mixed children. So many kids are mixed all over the world. It's very common now. While I understand what you mean about Korean women, but many Korean women are very nice and down-to-Earth, but I would have much better luck dating women of other nationalities. If I met the right Korean girl, I'd consider dating her. I wouldn't rule out dating a Korean girl.

There's nothing wrong with preferring your own. The way you talked about her culture might make her think you felt your culture is superior to hers. I'm not dogging you for what you said, but I'm trying to have you see it from her perspective. You could have said I don't feel I understand the culture enough, and I understand my own culture better and the women from my culture, and I really like my girlfriend.

There's nothing wrong with using more tact; there's nothing wrong with dating someone from your own culture. Would you date a Korean American? Would you date a Chinese American? Is it only about race? Anyway, it's your business what race you like, what culture you want to do, but people can feel defensive if they feel their culture or ethnicity is under attack. Many Americans might react in the same way to a foreigner speaking of the local women that way.
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Mix1



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Adam Carolla wrote:
Mix1 wrote:
rollo wrote:
Geez people, lighten up. I just do not get the facination with parsing every comment, every word looking for racism.

Some get a thrill out of it. It's a great conversation-ending buzzword.

It feels good to call SOMEONE ELSE racist, they can give themselves a pat on the back, while ignoring that they themselves probably have some racist leanings too (we ALL do to some degree) or at least their own preferences or stereotypes.

The OP's "crime" is that he was candid about his preferences. Yeah, he was generalizing a bit. At least he was being honest and not putting on a PC walking-on-eggshells, pat-yourself-on-the-back speech. ("Everyone is exactly the same." "I don't see color." ...yeah, right)

Also, maybe the preference is simply cultural. Introduce him to some Japanese or Chinese girls and he might change his tune entirely.


OR....Maybe it has something to do with his attitudes towards racial purity? I'm sorry, but when you are essentially saying that mixed-race couples shouldn't have children, that's a bit beyond the pale.


Yeah, that tweaked my radar as well.

For sure, he's got an old-school perspective on that, but it didn't sound malicious, so I didn't think he deserved the bad rap. Maybe I'm wrong about him but I hate how many overuse the "R" word to try to sound progressive or something when they aren't perfect either.

Also, his views on mixed-race aren't that different than how many Koreans see it as well. (Apologist alarm! Bweeeet bweeet!) They rarely mix or have any interest in doing so, and view themselves as "pure-blooded". I guess that doesn't tweak any radars though.
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:
Privateer wrote:
Rolling Eyes at this thread.

or "me, me, me"


Bah!
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand his views on having mixed kids, but his comments said to the Korean co-teacher weren't really wise. If I were Korean, I might feel that the person's putting down my culture. I agree with some things the OP said that sometimes there's too much superficiality out there, and the culture is sometimes too regimented. I do prefer my own. When people ask me, I just say I think Korean women are quite attractive, and if I found one that fit me, I'd date the person, but I find I'm more compatible with women from my own culture or women from other nationalities. The listener got offended. I can understand why she did.
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hiamnotcool



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He asked a racist question and you gave a racist answer. I respect your honesty but I disagree with your opinion on the issue, unfortunately people aren't up for honesty these days.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the OP was reacting to the

"you're only here for the women" - attitude.

If racism is an issue in this case, (and I'm not saying it is) I think it is

coming from the Korean side.

What, you don't prefer Korean women?!

All weiguk-ins are here for the women!

You must be a liar. (implied)
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with everyone who said if he has a preference its his business. We all have preferences. We often find people who are not our preferred look, etc but date them because they had some quality that attracted us to them.

As for mixed kids. Its a concern of any parent I would imagine. I could date anyone of any race but i would be concerend about children being raised in certain countries or communities in America. However, I doubt that would stop pretty much any couple of different races or ethnicity to have children if they wanted a family. They would just be careful of the environment in which they raised their child. Personal choice not to want to raise a mixed child. My personal view is its a cop out but its just a personal view. No offense t the OP and I don't want to label him for having the view I'm about to say, but to some extent I've found the people who have an issue about having and raising mixed children to usually be less accepting of them when they see it or at the very least harp on the difficulties they will have to the parents or someone else.

When asked by Koreans if I like Korean girls, I simply say I can date anyone of any race, shape or size if they are interesting and we connect. I like 'em petite but I've dated heavy women who I thought were super cool and I got past the weight issue because of who they were. I can understand if its too big of a hurdle for other men since men are mainly visual.

I've dated fellow teachers that were of different races and ethnicity as well. South African, Australian who was part Aboriginal, Gyopo, etc., as well as a Korean. They all had the same thing in common. I found them interesting and fun to be with.

I would agree with the poster who said Americans, generally speaking, are a bit more race sensitive than the other nationalities that are in Korea. South Africa possibly being the exception and this may be due to both countries history with race. Black friends I have have always said that when they meet anyone from the 7 countries that teach here its the Brits, Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis and Irish that appear to not care about race and although most Americans also don't care, when they do feel that the person is uncomfortable its almost always Americans and S. Africans are cool pretty much but black SA's say the same about their own. The males feel that way from American males but the few Black girls I've met feel less so from the guys. Maybe its a male thing.

I think America has changed and is changing though. In many parts of the country, including the south and midwest that have traditionally have issues, its changing. The demographics are suggesting this as well. Its now taught and emphasized more that differences are celebrated and accepted and not seen as bad or strange.
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Mix1



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
I suspect the OP was reacting to the

"you're only here for the women" - attitude.


That's a factor too.
"Do you like Korean women?" is a catch 22, minefield of a question.

If you say "no" it may hurt their pride or you can be branded as a racist (despite the fact that most of them will never date outside their ethnic group either).

If you say "yes", you can be painted as the playboy perv who is out to steal all their women and children.

So maybe just say, "They're ok, but I prefer Japanese women."

...Oh wait. Don't say that either.
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SoylaMBPolymath



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the previous poster who claimed that all mixed race women of a certain mix are "crazy"...Seriously? You've met every single mixed race woman in the world to be so certain of this asinine claim? How about Zoe Saldana, was she insane? She's mixed race. As a woman of mixed race (your so-called crazy vein), I found your comment offensive and incredibly vapid.

Also, where are the women in this thread? These types of discussions always seem to turn into a sausage fest.

With respect to the OP's claims that bringing a mixed race child into the world is doomed to create an inescapable identity maelstrom, that's baloney. Do not children of one race (whatever that even means) face problems of identity of they are gay? Or what if that child suffers from mental illness? Do they not risk facing problems of identity should they find themselves liking things outside of their expected circle of class, culture, and social standing? The construction of identity is complex and doesn't simply arise from the color of your skin. The love and support of a strong family and dedicated parents helps beyond belief. I can only speak from experience, but the love and support I received from my parents ensured that I would never question my value as an individual and that I would accept myself for who I am, no matter what. Sadly, the only people who ever seemed to have difficulty with my proud identification as a mixed-race woman were the white people I met. I never received the hated, "What are you question?" from blacks or Latinos. If anything I'd get the thumbs up with, "You're mixed, huh?" Indeed I am. And I love myself this way.

I think that the OP's coworker is probably used to foreigner men dating Korean women. And why not? It's rare to read the men on this board say anything positive about the foreigner women here in Korea. If one were to gauge only upon the basis of this board all foreigner women are fat, dim-witted frumpsters from which any and all foreigner men should gladly run in favor of the more delectable Korean women who more often than not fawn over their "handsome" guises. It's not true. Not at all. I have more than a few attractive female foreigner friends. But this critique continues to be bandied about.

Ultimately, I don't think the OP's a racist. I do find his views of mixed race children somewhat bizarre and a tad offensive, but he is within his right to date whomever he chooses. I have learned that I do myself no favors if I limit myself to someone on the basis of such primitive things as "pure" or "mixed" blood. I choose to love and be loved. The result of that choice has led me to men of all stripes. I see with my heart.
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
le-paul wrote:
Privateer wrote:
Rolling Eyes at this thread.

or "me, me, me"


Bah!


hehe, i meant at the OP, not you. It just seemed a bit of a pathetic attempt to get attention
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