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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| im not an apologist! i hate the b........... |
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joesp
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| Its ironic that some "enlightened" westerners are making blanket prejudicial statements in this thread. |
As another native English speaker, it is very hard to impress me by simply speaking "educated grammatically correct English" (minus the missing single apostrophe). Why don't you up your lowball IQ approach and actually join the conversation, with a conscience.
I entirely tip my hat to those who can justify our treatment here by saying "well, racism exists everywhere so just suck it up." But if that involves actually denying its existence as part of the thought process that leads you to that commendable conclusion ... well, frankly, the discussion of the yes/no of that question is simply a waste of time for anybody with any conscience, any experience, any honesty and anything else to do. If at the end of the day you can still achieve understanding and peace with racists, I can only tip my hat to you. However, if you do so only on condition that you whitewash reality and believe that Korea is not racist, you need to think beyond the few good people that you are thinking about when you answer in the negative and take in the broader picture.
I'm way past the point of even questioning the topic, unlike a newbie to the Korean scene. The only burning questions left for me involve adaptation strategies. |
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joesp
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| im not an apologist! i hate the b........... |
I know, I meant to say "what will you tell me and Le-paul", like that. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Individuals are racists. Nationalities of people are not. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:59 am Post subject: |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Someone clearly gave centralcali some racist looks on the subway this morning on her way to work... |
That clearly isn't the case. In the first place, I wasn't on my way to work this morning. I've got a long weekend and am in Hong Kong. Second, I'm male, not female. Third, nobody gave me any racist looks.
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Yeah, some koreans are racist just like some people are racist in every country in the world. But, no the level of racism and hate crimes etc are not nearly as bad in Korea as they are back home (wherever home is).
People in rural America can be insanely racist, skin heads still exist and the police straight up kill people because of the color of their skins quite often. |
Spoken like someone who hasn't a clue of what he speaks. Good job. Of course there's racism in America, just like there's racism anywhere. And there are plenty of rural places in America that have nowhere near the level or kinds of racism that may be found in urban America.
That also leads me to the fact that there are violent racists even in Korea. Just because it's a smaller country and/or the type of racist incidents that you're made aware of are different than what you've seen/heard about/experienced in another country does not make it all of a sudden better. It's still racism and the fact of racism existing elswere is absolutely irrelevant to the issue of racism in Korea. |
I'll make my post short. You're wrong, but nice try. |
Your non-answer "critique" is certainly not a nice try. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Any white people had dogshit thrown at them, or been bundled into a car for a group beating? |
Wait til the korean economy crashes then ask that question again. The only reason that the racism is not so blatant is because most Koreans are gainfully employed. Look at Greece. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Racism in Korea does exist, though there is no point in comparing it to the west as there are far higher levels of diversity back home. Imagine Korea if 15% of the population were non-Korean. Also remeber that the level of discrimination directed towards white english speakers is far less than that experienced by SE Asians.
When the number of 'foreigners' are tiny then there is going to be less friction. There are records of black men living in 17th century England married to white english women owning their own business. Fast forward into the enlightened future and there are racial conflicts left, right and centre.
That being said, Korean society is proving itself to be adept at providing legal protection and support to its increasing migrant population. I can only hope it continues and that SK bucks the trend and becomes the model for the rest of East Asia and the world. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
| That being said, Korean society is proving itself to be adept at providing legal protection and support to its increasing migrant population. I can only hope it continues and that SK bucks the trend and becomes the model for the rest of East Asia and the world. |
This is a joke, right? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Any white people had dogshit thrown at them, or been bundled into a car for a group beating? |
Wait til the korean economy crashes then ask that question again. The only reason that the racism is not so blatant is because most Koreans are gainfully employed. Look at Greece. |
If that happens, most of the foreigners will leave (either of their own volition, or because of visa issues). I don't think it will get to the visceral, hate-filled racism that minorities in largely white countries experience. Most white people have never experienced any form of discrimination or ill treatment, but when they do they make sure everyone knows about it. I am mixed race, born and raised in the UK. I have had my whole life to get used to this BS. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Koreans don't care about race, they are more interested in social class. Most Koreans think old whitey is rich, that's why there are so many ESL teachers. |
But don't think they confuse us for being bankers, lawyers, or foriegn models. A lot of the older Koreans only like whiteys who fit this demographic. Us esl'ers aren't real foriegners, are temporary, and are only something to be endured to get the English levels up and then hurry up and get rid of us.
I saw a drama introduce a white foriegner briefly as an ex boyfriend of a Korean woman. Of course, he wasn't an English teacher, but a businessman. The Korean woman did the "right thing" and chose the Korean in the end from what I could tell. (Though I don't watch dramas often if at all. But it looked like the foriegner had a bit part.) Point is, we don't officially exist as a part of Korean society. (Check any dating site like UB Love that features guys on the front page. Look at them. They are IT, bankers, exchange students, professors, etc. Never English teachers featured.)
Luckily, in real life, most younger Koreans seem cool enough and most younger (20's and 30's) women don't really seem to care if you're an English teacher or a banker. This is true in Seoul, though a more traditional place may have a higher proportion of gold diggers seeking status and "real" foriegners (bankers, lawyers, etc) or rich Koreans.
A friend told me that Seoul girls only want a good looking guy, while Busan girls seem to like money and status. But, it's not scientific or anything. Women seem to like me fine, so I'm not too hung up on it. But don't kid yourself, underneath the politeness and acceptance from Korean friends, that older generatione in control of society doesn't officially recognize us.
There was a lot of pretty blatant xenophobic hate towards us in the last decade. It has died down over the past two or three years. But there's bigger fish to fry. Chinese who commit crimes and even some fellow Koreans who have down bad things. The focus is off us, as we haven't had any pedofiles in our ranks lately. (Canadian dude in 2007 going to Thailand? What's his name?)
Anyways, people do seem friendlier nowadays. Though I'm not so niave to believe it's all puppies and kisses. However, things are better in Korea for whiteys than they have ever been. (Except, we don't get chased down the street by women anymore in the same way. Lol) |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| Any white people had dogshit thrown at them, or been bundled into a car for a group beating? |
Wait til the korean economy crashes then ask that question again. The only reason that the racism is not so blatant is because most Koreans are gainfully employed. Look at Greece. |
Is that how it was in 1997? I wasn't here then. I'd be curious to hear of all the horrible instances of foreigners being lynched. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Meh I don't care about any of this crap.
Hell, I was denied a $3K won bowl of noodles once, and pretty sure it was because of my whitie status. I could have yelled "hey short-leg, don't you have the education process which trains us to think that we are all equal like they have in my society, you uneducated slob"...
...but really who cares. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Are people really trying to suggest that dating sites that either put up the incredibly beautiful or those with good incomes are doing so because of racism?
Dude, that's every dating site around the world, unless I'm wrong and people are looking for mediocre looking men in mediocre careers.
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| There was a lot of pretty blatant xenophobic hate towards us in the last decade. It has died down over the past two or three years. But there's bigger fish to fry. Chinese who commit crimes and even some fellow Koreans who have down bad things. The focus is off us, as we haven't had any pedofiles in our ranks lately. (Canadian dude in 2007 going to Thailand? What's his name?) |
I don't think the focus has EVER really been on us for more than a moment. Korean domestic issues far outweigh any "Get the weigookin" sentiment that some may perceive.
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On an off-note, a lot of people use the term "gold-digging" to people who value status/money. A lot of times its more complex than that. Many times career and success relates to deeper factors like ambition, aptitude, discipline, decision-making, maturity, etc. Those are qualities which are rather important when it comes to one's spouse.
Also, for some, its not just about money for the two of you, its about being able to provide the maximum opportunities for your children. There are certain things that you just can't offer your child when you're poor.
People say "Well growing up poorer, they'll have to learn to struggle". Well, the thing is that if you're rich you can give your kids those kinds of challenges, but if you're poor it's many times harder to provide those rich experiences. |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Our family has several ethnic servants who praise our benevolence. Perhaps I will invite them all to sign certificates that claim we are not racists next time they have their yearly rectal swabs to ensure they don't have salmonella or other diseases common to farm animals and reptiles (yes the Chinese restaurant workers here also get checked in case you are wondering). |
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