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joesp
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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Yes, I am racist against Koreans. Not against anybody else in my in-group of "foreigner" (which is the entire world minus 50,000,000 people), but against "Koreans", yes I am. As far as I see it, I am a foreigner and not a Korean. And I am happy with that. I have negative expectations of the people I meet, now; I expect them to be stupid xenophobes, and I don't expect them to want to talk to me, the foreigner, in Korean, but only in their pigeon-poor English and Konglish ... and to behave like Koreans.
I enjoy putting Koreans into categories and making blanket statements about them, because that's what they do to me and what they do to themselves. I fit them into their age group, marriage 여부 status, education, etc. and make assumptions, same as they do.
They actually prefer it that way, it seems. Rather than having me try to impress them with how "Korean" I am, I usually pretend to be fresh-off-the-boat and usually it ends right there, they don't have the ability to go any further. But, I do respect my friends who continue to try ... sometimes they surprise me by fitting in so remarkably well!
I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't understand those of us foreigners who insist there is no Korean 민족, no Korean language, no Korean culture. These are all connected to the concept of race and blood in this country. They make themselves miserable with it -- too dark skin, you are asked "are you really Korean" or jibed "you look Mongolian" or "you look Chinese"...
Their categorizations, their racism, is one of the reasons they are a miserable suicidal dark people. |
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Shinawi
Joined: 18 Mar 2013
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Your statements contradict each other. You only heard of a minor altercation and yet you wouldn't have felt safe it the crisis continued? |
It was because of what was going on in Indonesia at that time. I'm not saying that it was certain to happen if the crisis continued to happen. I just feared how it would worsen society. Look at how Chicago is now. On the bright side, gun control is strict in Korea so I'd feel more safe when compared to Chicago.
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As for nothing wrong with ties that bind, nationalism and the tribalism from which it evolved are at the root of plenty of wars and millions of deaths. |
That's irrelevant. I doubt that guy had "wars and millions of deaths in mind" when he said that. And this is South Korea we're talking about, not a gigantic superpower. You can relax even more. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:45 am Post subject: |
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Shinawi
Joined: 18 Mar 2013
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:56 am Post subject: |
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As for nothing wrong with ties that bind, nationalism and the tribalism from which it evolved are at the root of plenty of wars and millions of deaths. |
That's irrelevant. I doubt that guy had "wars and millions of deaths in mind" when he said that. And this is South Korea we're talking about, not a gigantic superpower. You can relax even more. |
ignorance+fear of those not like you=nationalism
nationalism+alcohol=violence |
Korea is his first home. I understand his point of view. I have always considered the U.S. as my home country despite moving to Korea when I was a kid. I think going back to the U.S. for high school and college helped. I now have two home countries. I don't see how that would associate me with what you claim. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Shinawi
Joined: 18 Mar 2013
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:02 am Post subject: |
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ignorance+fear of those not like you=nationalism
nationalism+alcohol=violence |
Korea is his first home. I understand his point of view. I have always considered the U.S. as my home country despite moving to Korea when I was a kid. I think going back to the U.S. for high school and college helped. I now have two home countries. I don't see how that would associate me with what you claim. |
nostalgia does not equal nationalism. |
What makes you think he was being nationalistic instead of nostalgic? |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:04 am Post subject: |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Shinawi wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
Your statements contradict each other. You only heard of a minor altercation and yet you wouldn't have felt safe it the crisis continued? |
It was because of what was going on in Indonesia at that time. I'm not saying that it was certain to happen if the crisis continued to happen. I just feared how it would worsen society. Look at how Chicago is now. On the bright side, gun control is strict in Korea so I'd feel more safe when compared to Chicago.
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As for nothing wrong with ties that bind, nationalism and the tribalism from which it evolved are at the root of plenty of wars and millions of deaths. |
That's irrelevant. I doubt that guy had "wars and millions of deaths in mind" when he said that. And this is South Korea we're talking about, not a gigantic superpower. You can relax even more. |
"The guy" didn't say that--I did. People's actions aren't irrelevant.
So because SK isn't a superpower, its nationalism isn't adding to the tensions in Asia? |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Are people really trying to suggest that dating sites that either put up the incredibly beautiful or those with good incomes are doing so because of racism?
Dude, that's every dating site around the world, unless I'm wrong and people are looking for mediocre looking men in mediocre careers.
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| There was a lot of pretty blatant xenophobic hate towards us in the last decade. It has died down over the past two or three years. But there's bigger fish to fry. Chinese who commit crimes and even some fellow Koreans who have down bad things. The focus is off us, as we haven't had any pedofiles in our ranks lately. (Canadian dude in 2007 going to Thailand? What's his name?) |
I don't think the focus has EVER really been on us for more than a moment. Korean domestic issues far outweigh any "Get the weigookin" sentiment that some may perceive.
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On an off-note, a lot of people use the term "gold-digging" to people who value status/money. A lot of times its more complex than that. Many times career and success relates to deeper factors like ambition, aptitude, discipline, decision-making, maturity, etc. Those are qualities which are rather important when it comes to one's spouse.
Also, for some, its not just about money for the two of you, its about being able to provide the maximum opportunities for your children. There are certain things that you just can't offer your child when you're poor.
People say "Well growing up poorer, they'll have to learn to struggle". Well, the thing is that if you're rich you can give your kids those kinds of challenges, but if you're poor it's many times harder to provide those rich experiences. |
There are no handome English teachers in Korea or foriegners who own their own successful business after time? I would say 95% of the western population in Korea are English teachers and not CEO's, bankers, lawyers, etc. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Shinawi wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
ignorance+fear of those not like you=nationalism
nationalism+alcohol=violence |
Korea is his first home. I understand his point of view. I have always considered the U.S. as my home country despite moving to Korea when I was a kid. I think going back to the U.S. for high school and college helped. I now have two home countries. I don't see how that would associate me with what you claim. |
nostalgia does not equal nationalism. |
What makes you think he was being nationalistic instead of nostalgic? |
What would he be nostalgic for exactly? His family moved to the U.S. for a better life.
And does nostalgia cause you to uproot your entire life and leave your home? One could just visit, could they not? But to say you want to move to Korea to give back to it when almost all that you have received came from the U.S. isn't nostalgia. |
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