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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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Where's the "prestige" in an MA in Korea when probably 90 percent of the MA's have a dubious pedigree.
MA from a reputable university with real standards, sure.
On-line MA from some uni in OZ no one has heard of...... sorry, no cigar. |
Got a source for your claim?
Australia does not have online MA's, they have distance learning degrees, developed because Australia is a large country with a widely dispersed population.
Almost all Australian universities are ranked in the top 400 of the Times Higher Education list with many in the top 200, now if you're incapable of checking these lists that is not the MA holders problem but have a link anyway http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013/reputation-ranking
I did my masters in Australia on campus but I'm doing my doctorate by distance learning and let me assure you on campus is easier.
BTW are you a masters degree holder? If so where did you get it and how did you study? |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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You are naive if you think such a law would be passed in the National Assembly. But wait for my reasoning...the reason is that such a rule would not require the wasting of the President's time.
This comes under the perview of the Ministry of Education in South Korea. It is quite possible they have passed out a 'directive' to universities to only hire MA's from now on. This is well within their scope and rights as an administrative body.
You are dealing with more of a regulation than a law. It may be hard to find the actual wording because it will be in communications between the Education ministry and Universities. |
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Soldier
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:04 pm Post subject: Link |
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I asked for a link, not heresay.
Where is the link?
Basically all I see is heresay.
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry back to the OP, universities can employ anyone they want, but they get more money for a masters holder than a bachelor holder so many universities are only employing masters degree holders. I belive thhat the incentives for masters holders have gotten larger.
Why a masters holder takes a job for 2.5 even if it's the normal 9 hours teaching a week, 2 office hours and 20+ weeks vacation is beyond me but there you go. An associate lecturer in Australia makes $70k a year and you can do that with a masters. I'll admit some fields are more competitive than others though. |
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Soldier
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:10 pm Post subject: In Canada |
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| In Canada most universities require candidates to have a PhD, even as an Associate Lecturer. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: In Canada |
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| Soldier wrote: |
| In Canada most universities require candidates to have a PhD, even as an Associate Lecturer. |
In Australia it really depends on your field. In areas where there are shortages of PhDs like marketing, statistics, IT and the sciences you can be an associate lecturer with a masters, but courses have to be overseen by someone with a PhD usually a lecturer or higher. I know an associate lecturer in marketing and statistics who doesn't have time to do her PhD, between teaching and publishing.
It's not common in Australia but it does happen. |
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Soldier
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:46 am Post subject: Re: In Canada |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
| Soldier wrote: |
| In Canada most universities require candidates to have a PhD, even as an Associate Lecturer. |
In Australia it really depends on your field. In areas where there are shortages of PhDs like marketing, statistics, IT and the sciences you can be an associate lecturer with a masters, but courses have to be overseen by someone with a PhD usually a lecturer or higher. I know an associate lecturer in marketing and statistics who doesn't have time to do her PhD, between teaching and publishing.
It's not common in Australia but it does happen. |
Remember, men too study their PhD's. Better to say his or her, her or his, irrespective of their race, sexual orientation, sexul identity, disability, creed, etc.
Yes, it is a good thing where there is a shortage of PhD candidates, the univ will take on someone with their masters under the supervision of a PhD lecturer or higher.
In Canada, the unis will resort to bringing someone in from another nation, pref from non white nations such as Northern Africa, India, China, etc. On occasion they will bring in someone from Europe. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:21 am Post subject: |
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A lot of fantastic, and funny, comments were made and I just wanted to add a little as a B.A. holder in a top-notch uni.
(Woah, Dave's has spell-checker capabilities now? For a forum for educators? Love it!)
But, it's like any place that offers a position, the simple questions are: What
can you bring to the table and will you be a benefit to our uni, department and students
(and prestige!) or a detriment and embarrassment?
Perfectly grand questions and the answers and hiring of some applicants should be given their due consideration and
respect to anyone regardless of exact education, nationality, sex, skin color, personal beliefs yadayadayada.
Hat's off. At the same time, having a M.A. is a given plus, yet still needs to fulfill those same questions but to a little greater
extent perhaps as far as creating or adding something new such as advice in progress in the department itself/language learning or
creating classes/lectures based on the subjects they have 'mastered', etc.
I also doff my hat to universities that take into consideration an applicant's first 'love'
or degree (B.A.) and believe that he/she is still beneficial and hired though the uni may(?) take a hit in government regulations and
thereby government support/funding.
NOW, time to get that M.A. kicked into second gear~~ Cheers! |
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Soldier
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:49 am Post subject: 88 Sparky |
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I hear what you are saying, but I think what happened to your friend was bull shit. I think they may not have liked her and wanted to find an excuse to toss her. I checked with the immigration website, and there is nothing requiring a masters degree or higher. I checked with others, as well as the job board, some university positions still, today, require only a bachelors degree.
Anyway, I don't see any hard and fast rule on minimum academic requirements other than a bachelors degree, and Anglophone people, or those from Anglophone nations. I think that a master is just a nice have, but now always a requirement.
Cheers |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| kimchi_pizza wrote: |
A lot of fantastic, and funny, comments were made and I just wanted to add a little as a B.A. holder in a top-notch uni.
(Woah, Dave's has spell-checker capabilities now? For a forum for educators? Love it!)
But, it's like any place that offers a position, the simple questions are: What
can you bring to the table and will you be a benefit to our uni, department and students
(and prestige!) or a detriment and embarrassment?
Perfectly grand questions and the answers and hiring of some applicants should be given their due consideration and
respect to anyone regardless of exact education, nationality, sex, skin color, personal beliefs yadayadayada.
Hat's off. At the same time, having a M.A. is a given plus, yet still needs to fulfill those same questions but to a little greater
extent perhaps as far as creating or adding something new such as advice in progress in the department itself/language learning or
creating classes/lectures based on the subjects they have 'mastered', etc.
I also doff my hat to universities that take into consideration an applicant's first 'love'
or degree (B.A.) and believe that he/she is still beneficial and hired though the uni may(?) take a hit in government regulations and
thereby government support/funding.
NOW, time to get that M.A. kicked into second gear~~ Cheers! |
This topic has been covered alot in the last year or so. People who have BA's will possibly keep their jobs but universities will be very unlikely to hire new BA's when they have been un-incentivised by the Education Ministry.
Top notch universities will get more than enough MA applicants for any position. Whereas in the past BA or MA was up to the uni to decide it has now been told by the Government that MA is 'preferred'. This means alot to Universities. Koreans love qualifications and pieces of paper, they do not think like Westerners I am sorry. MA is now better than BA and since that has been explicity verbalised from the Government to Unis they will follow it in confucian style.
It will take a while for smaller unis to follow since they may not be able to get MA candidates but if they do they will take them. The only reason it was not able to be made a hard and fast rule would have been the fact that smaller universities would have been unable to attract MA's possibly. That will change in coming years but at this stage the rule is more of an incentive. In a confucian society though it still tells the lower level what is good or bad. |
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Soldier
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:02 pm Post subject: Any Masters will do |
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If that is the case, and unless specified, any masters, including online at some nowhere unheard of accredited school will suffice in some cases;as far as that 'piece of paper' is conncerned.
I'm surprised that the level isn't a Phd or Post Doc in an ESL field at the top and second level universities.
I know that at an equiv Korean hakwan where all Korean teachers have to have their masters or higher. A good example is at the Daegu YMCA. I'm surprised that is same in teaching ESL the same for adult aged students at the Hakwans. Kiddy Hakwans, a bachelors is good.
Likewise, a BEd for public schools or higher. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Any Masters will do |
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| Soldier wrote: |
If that is the case, and unless specified, any masters, including online at some nowhere unheard of accredited school will suffice in some cases;as far as that 'piece of paper' is conncerned.
I'm surprised that the level isn't a Phd or Post Doc in an ESL field at the top and second level universities.
I know that at an equiv Korean hakwan where all Korean teachers have to have their masters or higher. A good example is at the Daegu YMCA. I'm surprised that is same in teaching ESL the same for adult aged students at the Hakwans. Kiddy Hakwans, a bachelors is good.
Likewise, a BEd for public schools or higher. |
Korean xenophobia helps us here, with the salaries on offer they would only get ESL PhDs from India, The Phillipines, or a non-English speaking countries. They prefer people from the west.
When I finish my doctorate in business I will be too expensive to be employed by any Korean University.
Australia has the best student loans scheme in the world. If you don't earn, you don't have to repay. I would rather not use that excuse forever to avoid the $70k in university debt I will have accumulated. Even at 45 million a year, I wouldn't make be required to repay my student debt and if I die never earning more than AUD$48k a year, the debt is wiped. BTW the debt is also interest free although it is indexed by inflation each year as is the mandatory repayment threshold.
I want to repay my debt, so I need to earn more than Korea offers which means heading home or to another country that pays. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Any Masters will do |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
| Soldier wrote: |
If that is the case, and unless specified, any masters, including online at some nowhere unheard of accredited school will suffice in some cases;as far as that 'piece of paper' is conncerned.
I'm surprised that the level isn't a Phd or Post Doc in an ESL field at the top and second level universities.
I know that at an equiv Korean hakwan where all Korean teachers have to have their masters or higher. A good example is at the Daegu YMCA. I'm surprised that is same in teaching ESL the same for adult aged students at the Hakwans. Kiddy Hakwans, a bachelors is good.
Likewise, a BEd for public schools or higher. |
Korean xenophobia helps us here, with the salaries on offer they would only get ESL PhDs from India, The Phillipines, or a non-English speaking countries. They prefer people from the west.
When I finish my doctorate in business I will be too expensive to be employed by any Korean University.
Australia has the best student loans scheme in the world. If you don't earn, you don't have to repay. I would rather not use that excuse forever to avoid the $70k in university debt I will have accumulated. Even at 45 million a year, I wouldn't make be required to repay my student debt and if I die never earning more than AUD$48k a year, the debt is wiped. BTW the debt is also interest free although it is indexed by inflation each year as is the mandatory repayment threshold.
I want to repay my debt, so I need to earn more than Korea offers which means heading home or to another country that pays. |
The student loan system in Austrailia sounds wonderful. Too bad Canada doesn't follow that. |
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