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Ranman
Joined: 18 Aug 2012
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| Not sure what you're complaining about. My hagwon makes me correct every 4th-6th grader's essay, every week. It ends up being somewhere between 200 and 300 essays a month, split between my girlfriend and I. At least now I don't have to worry about having too much desk warming time. |
What a crappy job. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Ranman wrote: |
| Threequalseven wrote: |
| Not sure what you're complaining about. My hagwon makes me correct every 4th-6th grader's essay, every week. It ends up being somewhere between 200 and 300 essays a month, split between my girlfriend and I. At least now I don't have to worry about having too much desk warming time. |
What a crappy job. |
What a crappy work ethic and natural aptitude for English education. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| How does one move into such a field without experience? Every advert I've seen requires 1-2 years of experience. |
Fib or know somebody. I knew somebody, my replacement at the same job fibbed a bit by spinning volunteer work into legit experience and the company apparently played ball with immigration requirements regardless.
That was all before the E-7 got revamped to require previous experience.
What I gleaned from my current HR is that the E-7 has 70ish different variations, but none of them are specifically for editing. Most of my previous jobs found a way to work around this, but the current job is highly bureaucratic, and threw their arms up at the requirements for the visa because they had no idea how to prove a Korean could not do my job...which is silly, because even the best translators I have seen mess up with modals, articles, and various other little bits that the untrained eye will miss. I fortunately had an E-7 to transfer so all went well with that particular case.
Wish I had more succinct details but the visa itself is vague about what is required when it comes to getting into a full-time editing job. |
Posts like this one and a few others here remind me why I left Korea and have no regrets. I did editing work in Japan because you can do that on a teaching visa as well as in other countries. But like so many experienced people find in Korea, you just cannot apply your skills the same way in Korea unless you're lucky enough to have connections.
Korea is more about who you know than anywhere else I've worked. You can say I should have applied for an E-7 but what the people with a lot of skills and experience find in Korea is that the doors are slammed shut without knowing somebody or Immigration keeps adding more hoops to jump through. Visas like the E-7 require EVERY job you ever list to have given you a certificate of employment in the only way Koreans can understand.
That's nonsense of course as other countries have their own employment standards and norms. In my own country the referee is the key - my cv has referees with thorough contact info including addresses. In all the countries I worked in apart from Korea, letters, rock solid referees, documents that prove you did what you said you did etc were fine. But Korea wants certificates of employment Korea style for every job you every did. It's not possible for many people who have better cvs than what sounds the case here.
Korea does its best to secure the medicore and inexperienced. So glad I've gone. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea is more about who you know than anywhere else I've worked. You can say I should have applied for an E-7 but what the people with a lot of skills and experience find in Korea is that the doors are slammed shut without knowing somebody or Immigration keeps adding more hoops to jump through. |
I get what you're saying but I should clarify what I meant. I'm not saying that you should be wining and dining with CEOs and ambassadors. I just menat you should know people already doing editing work here, because the decent jobs are often passed around by word of mouth, or advertised through lesser-known channels, in the cracks between ESLCafe and Monster.
As far as hoops go, yes they did something weird around 2008 or whatever and kind of made it so overseas experience can't really be used. It's still possible to get an E-7 despite that but the onus is on the employer to woo immigration. Immigration officials can also be unfamiliar with the visa so there is a lot of conflicting information given out.
The really dumb part is that the E-7 does not defer any special privileges or conditions over the E-2. The only noticeable difference is a bit more respect from immigration officials. It doesn't give you permission to work multiple jobs or freelance it or anything like that.
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| Visas like the E-7 require EVERY job you ever list to have given you a certificate of employment in the only way Koreans can understand. |
In my experience, which admittedly isn't the gospel, just one certificate of employment was required. I specifically asked my supervisor if I needed those certificates from any other employers and she said one would be fine. |
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Threequalseven
Joined: 08 May 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Ranman wrote: |
| Threequalseven wrote: |
| Not sure what you're complaining about. My hagwon makes me correct every 4th-6th grader's essay, every week. It ends up being somewhere between 200 and 300 essays a month, split between my girlfriend and I. At least now I don't have to worry about having too much desk warming time. |
What a crappy job. |
It's not the best job, but it's work and I'm glad to have it for the time being. From what I read online, it's not unlike most other hagwon jobs in Korea. So I don't get why someone would go out of their way to tell me it's crappy. I can only guess that either you're fortunate enough to never have had to work a truly crappy job, or you've landed a rather plush ESL gig and assume that because your job is easy that everyone else's should be easy too. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Editors at the big financial houses START at 80-100 million a year. So if you have the background and the experience, plus an 'in' or two in the market, it's not a bad way to make a buck. One of my buddies at one of those firms is pulling in about 200 million a year. Yikes! |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I charge 250k per page. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's try to keep it real. [/list] |
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joesp
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, the editing visa that I had was also the E-7. They required a letter-of-need (given by an official Korean authority in your field) for your services. Also, now, there may be a need for an intermediate TOPIK score if you come from a student visa. Finally, the E-7 is not for "editing" it is like "miscellaneous work". In my case, the lady at the window didn't know what to call it so she let me choose the closest classification myself, which I thought was the E-7. However, I later found out (when I tried to add an additional place of employment [these regulations have since become looser]) that the E-7 is considered "unskilled labor" (I said it was 'translation' which to immigration is "unskilled labor") and so is frowned upon by immigration. I should have chosen a "higher" visa classification, given that they left it up to me, but at the time I didn't know better.
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The important thing is that probably close-to-everybody that is reading this thread is not an editor and is on an E-2 visa.
And so my main point is that hakwon teachers shouldn't just do it "out of the goodness of their heart".
Editing is not "TEACHING" and is not covered under an E-2 visa.
If they are not your own students, refuse. And then, ask for extra pay. It requires time and TLC. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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I have some buddies who do editing through SNU's institute. The pay is pretty good, at least 10k a page, more for tech stuff. Totally above board.
My friends at the financial houses are all on E7 visas. |
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javis
Joined: 28 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| joesp wrote: |
Yes, the editing visa that I had was also the E-7. They required a letter-of-need (given by an official Korean authority in your field) for your services. Also, now, there may be a need for an intermediate TOPIK score if you come from a student visa. Finally, the E-7 is not for "editing" it is like "miscellaneous work". In my case, the lady at the window didn't know what to call it so she let me choose the closest classification myself, which I thought was the E-7. However, I later found out (when I tried to add an additional place of employment [these regulations have since become looser]) that the E-7 is considered "unskilled labor" (I said it was 'translation' which to immigration is "unskilled labor") and so is frowned upon by immigration. I should have chosen a "higher" visa classification, given that they left it up to me, but at the time I didn't know better.
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The important thing is that probably close-to-everybody that is reading this thread is not an editor and is on an E-2 visa.
And so my main point is that hakwon teachers shouldn't just do it "out of the goodness of their heart".
Editing is not "TEACHING" and is not covered under an E-2 visa.
If they are not your own students, refuse. And then, ask for extra pay. It requires time and TLC. |
Thanks for the info.
I would consider work like this once I finish with the military in a couple years. I think I'll miss the typical short length and very specific formatting guidelines of military report writing, though. I'll be on an F visa, so that should clear up a lot of the immigration hurdles. |
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spaceman82
Joined: 01 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| PRagic wrote: |
| Editors at the big financial houses START at 80-100 million a year. So if you have the background and the experience, plus an 'in' or two in the market, it's not a bad way to make a buck. One of my buddies at one of those firms is pulling in about 200 million a year. Yikes! |
Out of curiosity, what kind of background/experience do those editors have? Regular editing experience plus a degree in finance, economics, MBA, etc.? A few years' business experience plus that type of degree? |
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