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salutbonjour

Joined: 22 Jan 2013

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject:

radcon wrote:

salutbonjour wrote:

rollo wrote:

if Canadians are so well eduated then why do they fail so miserably at understanding the differene between a population of 315 million and a poulation of 25 million. There is just no way to compare the two. I mean the U.s. has 11- 14 million illegals. But as all of us who have had to listen the the relentless droning of the Canadian bores whose inferioity complex drives them to make these absurb comparisons.

So heres a quickie. name every Canadian Novbel prize winner in science:

Can't you just google "canadian nobel winners" and realize that there's actually quite a few?

The amount of Nobel winners is not really an accurate measurement of a nation's overall intelligence. But as long as you are keeping score, since the year 2000 Canada has 2 and the US has 85.

Who is keeping score? Seems like you have a strong grasp on these numbers.

I think being overly proud of one's nation rather than oneself is akin to defining yourself as being a sports team fan. The link in the OP is useful in comparing the efficacy of different educational system, don't really see why this seems to be yet another opportunity to argue over pointless things.

The system in Korea produces the most graduate as a share of the population for this generation (the article lists as percentage of the total adult population from what I gather, which considers the older generation which is in stark contrast to the current generation). However, Korea has too many university graduates. It would be more useful to find out what is the optimal university graduation rate rather than assuming more is better.

On the other hand, the US system creates unemployed people whose purchasing power is already ruined before their first job. This is on the other end of the scale.

The Canadian system seems like a happy medium with lower fees, decent graduation rate, good universities (but certainly not the best) and few bad universities. However, these lower fees create a lot of deficit and any attempt to raise fees in Canada is an uphill battle nowadays (refer to Quebec's student protests).

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:42 pm Post subject:

salutbonjour wrote:

I think being overly proud of one's nation rather than oneself is akin to defining yourself as being a sports team fan.

The difference, of course, is that a citizen actively participates in his nation every day, enriching it through his labor, helping to shape and maintain its culture through his behavior, and laying the foundation of its continuance through his children, while a sports team fan merely passively watches his sports team play.

augustine

Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:56 pm Post subject:

Fox wrote:

salutbonjour wrote:

I think being overly proud of one's nation rather than oneself is akin to defining yourself as being a sports team fan.

Wrong, it's a good analogy. The majority of sports fans like the majority of citizens passively watch their team/country do their thing or tune out the details. A minority of sports fans and citizens do participate and enrich both enterprises through their actions and lay a foundation for their continuance. You just don't appreciate sports, Fox. Wink

Who's Your Daddy?

Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:59 pm Post subject:

12ax7 wrote:

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:

12ax7 wrote:

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:

12ax7 wrote:

Couchsurfer wrote:

Care to disprove my theory? You shout the words ignorance and moron. I do not need to resort to name calling.

It does not mean they have less potential, but less has been accomplished. First Nations in Canada have a literacy rate of less than 50%. Mostly due to oral traditions, poor parent role models, remote squallor living conditions, and contempt for 'whitey' education.

12ax7 wrote:

Couchsurfer wrote:

If you filtered out First Nations, the average Canadian IQ would rise a few points.

radcon wrote:

And yet Canada is ranked 25th in average IQ. This is below the US, England, and others.

So says the moron who proudly exhibits his ignorance.

I score in the top percentile of the IQ scale (real IQ tests, none of those make you feel good tests that you do online), speak four languages, completed my masters degree with distinction, contributed to and mentioned in name in a book that was a national best seller, just got the news that my photography will be showcased in a nationwide exhibition sponsored by the federal government...and I'm a M�tis. Your turn.

Those might relate.

But usually results from reserve populations I think are excluded in govt. data, to improve the scores.

Nice try. They are completely unrelated.

No, it's pertaining to work I've been doing for years and for which I've already received quite a bit of recognition.

Results from reserve populations excluded? You're talking out of your a..

PS. What's with the pathetic trolls who feel threatened anytime someone posts anything about Canada? Do Canadians freak out every time there's a discussion about the United States? If we did, we'd be spending every waking hour commenting in this forum.

here:

http://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p2SV.pl?Function=getSurvey&SDDS=3701&Item_Id=103716&lang=en#a2

"The Labor Force Survey covers the civilian, non-institutionalised population 15 years of age and over. It is conducted nationwide, in both the provinces and the territories. Excluded from the survey's coverage are: persons living on reserves and other Aboriginal settlements in the provinces; full-time members of the Canadian Armed Forces and the institutionalized population.These groups together represent an exclusion of less than 2% of the Canadian population aged 15 and over."

The Labour Force Survey? You've gotta be kidding. It provides estimates of employment and unemployment. That's it.

Besides...

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/71-588-x/71-588-x2011003-eng.pdf

The Labor Force Survey is probably the most cited Stats Can number except GDP. That's the unemployment rate calculation.

And you referring to Stats Can surveys specifically of Natives doesn't negate the fact that they are excluded from other surveys. I didn't say they don't do surveys of Natives.

But here's one for you, Aboriginal Peoples Survey,

"Excluded from the target population are:
- Individuals living on reserve"

http://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p2SV.pl?Function=getSurvey&SDDS=3250&lang=en&db=imdb&adm=8&dis=2#a2

radcon

Joined: 23 May 2011

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:05 pm Post subject:

Fox wrote:

salutbonjour wrote:

I think being overly proud of one's nation rather than oneself is akin to defining yourself as being a sports team fan.

You make good points. However they support the sporting side of the analogy better than the cultural and national aspects.

I "enrich" my sports teams by purchasing tickets, merchandise, and watching the games on tv which create ad revenue. This amount of money, while small, still has a bigger impact on my team then my measly tax dollars do on the US govt. Furthermore the money I give my teams is used on things I want: better players and facilities. Almost none of my tax money is spent how I would like by my govt.

Sporting games have a home (field, court, arena) advantage. By going to games and cheering on my team, I am possibly helping them to victory. No matter how much I may cheer for US troops in Afghanistan, I can have no impact on the outcome of that war.
The love of sports teams are passed down from parents to children and is probably a more stable and stronger relationship than that what is passed down in terms of national culture.

12ax7

Joined: 07 Nov 2009

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:21 pm Post subject:

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:

12ax7 wrote:

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:

12ax7 wrote:

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:

12ax7 wrote:

Couchsurfer wrote:

12ax7 wrote:

Couchsurfer wrote:

If you filtered out First Nations, the average Canadian IQ would rise a few points.

radcon wrote:

And yet Canada is ranked 25th in average IQ. This is below the US, England, and others.

So says the moron who proudly exhibits his ignorance.

Those might relate.

But usually results from reserve populations I think are excluded in govt. data, to improve the scores.

The Labour Force Survey? You've gotta be kidding. It provides estimates of employment and unemployment. That's it.

Besides...

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/71-588-x/71-588-x2011003-eng.pdf

You're missing the point.

I suggest you read Couchsurfer's original comment. Do you really want to defend that kind of ignorance?

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:34 pm Post subject:

Very little in this thread has been suggestive of IQ or education.

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:31 am Post subject:

radcon wrote:

I "enrich" my sports teams by purchasing tickets, merchandise, and watching the games on tv which create ad revenue. This amount of money, while small, still has a bigger impact on my team then my measly tax dollars do on the US govt. Furthermore the money I give my teams is used on things I want: better players and facilities. Almost none of my tax money is spent how I would like by my govt.

Sporting games have a home (field, court, arena) advantage. By going to games and cheering on my team, I am possibly helping them to victory. No matter how much I may cheer for US troops in Afghanistan, I can have no impact on the outcome of that war.
The love of sports teams are passed down from parents to children and is probably a more stable and stronger relationship than that what is passed down in terms of national culture.

This is actually a pretty reasonable, well-argued position. I am inclined to cede the point.

markness

Joined: 02 Jan 2013

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:29 pm Post subject:

So much comedy in this thread, why the hell has this turned into a Canada vs USA thread? I'm a Canadian dude and never had a problem with anyone while I've been abroad except one New Yorker, but I am not going to paint the whole country with a bad brush as others have already. Get over yourselves and stop slinging mud. You guys need each other, it's rather pathetic how tribal people are behaving. We need each other, we don't need to be bitter towards each other, isn't it bad enough that there is the whole "outsider" syndrome that occurs here on a regular basis?

rollo

Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject:

Markness. Please do not try to bring rationality or common sense to this thread. This is about Americans having some fun with some Canadians who have an inferiority complex and define themselves by constant compariosons with the U.S. You are probably not one of these types so you would not appreciate the humor. Have a great day.

markness

Joined: 02 Jan 2013

Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:27 pm Post subject:

rollo wrote:

Markness. Please do not try to bring rationality or common sense to this thread. This is about Americans having some fun with some Canadians who have an inferiority complex and define themselves by constant compariosons with the U.S. You are probably not one of these types so you would not appreciate the humor.

Have a great day.

Oh snap. Well then, let me play the part. "grr, dang americans!".

Later meng! <hands you a beer>

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