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So am I right in supposing this whole thing is a dice roll?
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Lparsons7641



Joined: 17 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:28 pm    Post subject: So am I right in supposing this whole thing is a dice roll? Reply with quote

Doing some research on the internet and reading up on EPIK and public schools, am I right in assuming this whole thing is one big roll of the dice?

It sure looks that way from my end.

I am mainly doing this for two reasons, a desire to do something out of the box/travel, and to pay debt. The teaching is not a main reason, but I certainly will spend the energy required to do my absolute best.

That being said, I know rural pays better. And my primary reason for doing this is money, (my lifestyle is simple, I mostly spend time writing, reading, working and playing computer games TBH) But it sounds like EVERYTHING about this is a roll of the dice.

"Rural" could mean 1000 people, no amenities, living in a barn, and isolated and lonely.

It could mean a city of 100,000. (Not "rural" to me, my city is smaller, I grew up in a city of 30,000).

It could be right near Busan, Jeju (both my preferred areas) or it could be 4 hours from everything. I could have no access to a store, I could have a quick trip.

Your apartment? Small. Small is fine. I live in a single dorm room, built in 1909. Communal bath, communal kitchen with a roach and ant infestation. I don't have many friends here, but I keep sane my calling my family and talking to my out of state friends online. At least Korea has great internet, and I might even splurge on a smartphone

But it could be a(another for me) rat hole with no AC, no furniture, no desk (really annoying for me) and a complete mess.

Or it could be a modern building with nice bright laminate floors and a "cozy" feel. Clean, modern, safe. Near school, or 45 minutes away.

Am I right in my assessment? Am I basically rolling the dice if I decide to do this next March? There seems to be no consistency.
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salutbonjour



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but do keep in mind that you read more horror stories online than good stories.
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

salutbonjour wrote:
Yes, but do keep in mind that you read more horror stories online than good stories.


But the scale is tipping toward horror stories these days.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:13 pm    Post subject: Re: So am I right in supposing this whole thing is a dice ro Reply with quote

Lparsons7641 wrote:
Doing some research on the internet and reading up on EPIK and public schools, am I right in assuming this whole thing is one big roll of the dice?

It sure looks that way from my end.

I am mainly doing this for two reasons, a desire to do something out of the box/travel, and to pay debt. The teaching is not a main reason, but I certainly will spend the energy required to do my absolute best.

That being said, I know rural pays better. And my primary reason for doing this is money, (my lifestyle is simple, I mostly spend time writing, reading, working and playing computer games TBH) But it sounds like EVERYTHING about this is a roll of the dice.

"Rural" could mean 1000 people, no amenities, living in a barn, and isolated and lonely.
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It is a roll of the dice but... you will likely have more than 1000 people where you go because any schools there probably won't have enough students there anyway. As for amenities you can get A/C and high speed internet anywhere here. And you won't be living in a barn...more likely an old but quite possibly large apartment. As for isolated and lonely...that's up to you.

Most of the horror stories deal with hakwons which try to get the cheapest accommodation possible...public schools for the most don't really care because it's not their money.
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hiamnotcool



Joined: 06 Feb 2012

PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: So am I right in supposing this whole thing is a dice ro Reply with quote

Lparsons7641 wrote:

Am I right in my assessment? Am I basically rolling the dice if I decide to do this next March? There seems to be no consistency.


If you come here be ready for just about anything. I always tell people I know heading here the most important thing is to have the funds to survive one or two months without pay and to be able to buy a plane ticket home if you need to.

You can do research on certain areas and hold out for them. That would only go so far as a particular city or province though because the public school employers hire for only their province (or in the case of Seoul a city). And even though you get confirmation on a location it may still be up in the air.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Careful rural United States is different from rural Korea. Some teachers have been suckered into locations with the adage of small city using population. Then they find out the small city would be more isolated then an large town in Canada or USA.

Adjust estimates. What you may consider large is actually quite small for Korea. Remember this is a small country that is pretty crowded.

And yes it will be a role of the dice.

One rule I think I need to add is

Korea is not for (similar word for kitties)! OP you seem to have a head on your shoulders. Do some more research and read some more stories. Actually for stories in relation to public school check out waygook.org.
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Threequalseven



Joined: 08 May 2012

PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: So am I right in supposing this whole thing is a dice ro Reply with quote

hiamnotcool wrote:
I always tell people I know heading here the most important thing is to have the funds to survive one or two months without pay and to be able to buy a plane ticket home if you need to.

This is good advice. Though, if that's not an option, another route could be to use credit. I got a Visa credit card at the same time I had my degree notarized at the bank. (And yes, I was planning it ahead of time. Nobody tried suckering me into getting one.) I went on a month-long trip before coming to Korea and floated my first month here. Racked up about $2,000 in credit card debt altogether, but then paid it off in my first two months here. I don't recommend this option to everybody, but if you're scared sh!tless of debt then it might work for you because you'll probably be more responsible about it.

As for the OP, your dice roll analogy is perfect. I have a friend who packed up his life after 4 years teaching in one city here to take a public school job in Incheon, yet he still didn't have a clue where his job would be until nearly a week after moving out. This is ESPECIALLY frustrating if your doing anything as a couple. I hope this process becomes more streamlined in the future so there aren't as many middlemen. I swear, it's possible and actually quite common to have as many as three middlemen between you and your potential employer. (Example: You > Recruiter > EPIK > Office of Edu > School). Totally unnecessary, imo, and it makes planning anything next to impossible if there are two of you trying to do the same thing.
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Lparsons7641



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the advice experts!

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to "prefer" a ideal location on my application.

But at the end of the day, a province posting gives me the best opportunity to save what my end goal is. (an ambitious 30K) by the end of 2 years.

Though that is not likely as I want to also travel to Japan/Vietnam when I'm in K-Land.

Well, I still got a year to think about it, do research. For now I should worry about my existing job/course work Smile
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: So am I right in supposing this whole thing is a dice ro Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Most of the horror stories deal with hakwons which try to get the cheapest accommodation possible...public schools for the most don't really care because it's not their money.


There could be shady dealings with money being misappropriated. It's possible. Who knows.

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My rural GEPIK elementary school consistently pay me late and/or the wrong amount (always under, never over).


Here's some good advice, OP:

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I think, 3 or more years ago, when corporal punishment was in effect, it was easier to be a teacher here. If you were an inexperienced foreign teacher, the class would still obey because of the threat from co-teachers.

Now that things have changed drastically, with teachers having almost no power to discipline, it has become more difficult.

Many Korean teachers don't see you as a "novelty" anymore. They see you as a burden on the tax system.

You need to prove yourself as a teacher.

Crack down on your classes. Maintain discipline and deliver good, relevant lessons. Dress well and always act professional. Volunteer to watch students on extra time, or just do it on your own. You need to gain their respect as a teacher, rather than just an English speaking accessory.

I know this isn't the case for all schools, but there are some that see Foriegn English teachers in a bad light. In theses circumstances, you need to prove your worth.
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joelove



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skippy wrote:
Careful rural United States is different from rural Korea. Some teachers have been suckered into locations with the adage of small city using population. Then they find out the small city would be more isolated than a large town in Canada or USA.


Sounds like solid advice. I would agree a city with millions can sound OK but it could be not OK for a foreign person without local language skills and you could have trouble meeting people you can relate to. The people at work might be OK, but may not have much understanding of the position you are in, really, and why would they? They might just feel awkward having to communicate with the foreigner and be nervous about their English. You can work with perfectly nice people who might not know what culture shock is. There's a lot to adjust to, and it can be freaky at times. Not to sound all doom and gloom here, really, just saying many find it tough whereas others thrive. Good luck.
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busanSK2012



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes it is a roll of the dice, but don't let that scare you off.

I remember on the airplane here I actually knew next to nothing about my job except that it was in Busan, which is a huge city and has lots of variables in working conditions. I realized I knew everything about the other jobs I turned down and NOTHING about this one.

And....everything is good. Not perfect of course, but what is? My apartment is great -tub, stocked, and great view, but far away. My school is awesome, but a bitch of a commute you wouldn't believe the hike I have every morning. My CT's all speak english very well, but one is a cranky -----! My principal is a riot and funny, but my VP is a prickly one-to everyone not just me.

So that is EPIK, but that is life too. You can entertain yourself and I think that you will find things in Korea and enjoy them...my main complaints are tI really can't stand the food and most things look the same, same, same. If you actually like Korean food then all is golden and if you aren't into aesthetics no problem.

Good luck. BTW I saved 15000 in 10 months here while going out moderately on weekends and I have been to Japan 3 times(Air Asia is the awesome) and Thailand once very cheap country once you are on the ground- so all is doable. seems to me like a no brainer for you.

Contact Korean Horizons-they are the bomb. and I do not work for them-just happy with the service and everything after that.
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Threequalseven



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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joelove wrote:
I would agree a city with millions can sound OK but it could be not OK for a foreign person without local language skills and you could have trouble meeting people you can relate to.

I don't know if I agree with this. Of course, everybody is different and everybody's experience is different here. But I live in a city with only 250,000 people and I've had no trouble meeting new people. Quite the opposite, actually. I feel like I don't have enough time to get together with everyone I've met here (both Korean and foreign). I'd say it boils down to your personality more than anything. If you're a total introvert, you're probably going to have trouble meeting people wherever you end up.

So, to the OP, if you're from a city of 30,000 people, you'll be fine wherever you end up. Ideally, you'd want to be somewhere with more than 200,000 people. But I think there's a certain charm to these small Korean cities and villages too... And remember, you'll always be a bus ride away from the closest big city on the weekends. I've been shocked to see how small some of these "towns" are that the buses still go through.
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Lparsons7641



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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Threequalseven wrote:
joelove wrote:
I would agree a city with millions can sound OK but it could be not OK for a foreign person without local language skills and you could have trouble meeting people you can relate to.

I don't know if I agree with this. Of course, everybody is different and everybody's experience is different here. But I live in a city with only 250,000 people and I've had no trouble meeting new people. Quite the opposite, actually. I feel like I don't have enough time to get together with everyone I've met here (both Korean and foreign). I'd say it boils down to your personality more than anything. If you're a total introvert, you're probably going to have trouble meeting people wherever you end up.

So, to the OP, if you're from a city of 30,000 people, you'll be fine wherever you end up. Ideally, you'd want to be somewhere with more than 200,000 people. But I think there's a certain charm to these small Korean cities and villages too... And remember, you'll always be a bus ride away from the closest big city on the weekends. I've been shocked to see how small some of these "towns" are that the buses still go through.


Thanks. I am getting more confident that this may be a decision for me.

My only (albeit big) obstacle is worries that I am killing my chances at a career in my field. Still trying to feel that out a bit.
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joelove



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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, makes sense. I understand there are quite a few more foreigners than there used to be and this will probably help someone adjust, in the beginning at least. It helps to be outgoing even if you gotta put on an act of sorts, which is also what teaching can be like for the more introverted among us. I was combining experience in China in my above post. There are cities of millions there that you may never have heard of, and they are like small towns in some ways. For a foreigner it is possible to feel pretty cut off from a somewhat normal social life.
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Weigookin74



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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me tell you a little secret about Asian cities Kiddo. You want comparable features, attitudes, perks, amenities, etc take off a "0". So, an Asian city of "100,000" people will be like a North American city of "10,000". I came from a city of 150,000 people aproximately and went to a city of around 90,000 here when I first came over. I thought how bad could it be? Wow. Not much going on. Tiny marts, no wal mart equivalent. Was a tiny emart, but it was more like a mart on two floors in the basement of an apartment building. No escalator. Had to be the smallest one in Korea. Think of emart express but two and a half of them on top of each other. A rosebud coffee shop, a lotteria, and a bunch of Korean stores and small shops. Think more has gone there since I left. But sill not much going on. My city of 150,000 had large bookstores, shopping malls, museums, large fitness centers. This town in Korea, some gyms which were tiny rooms with no air con. No large indoor venue to go on a rainy or cold or hot day. I think you've got to be in a metropolitan city to get anything close though still not exactly the same.

So, a city of 1.5 million is like a city of 150,000 in Canada. Seoul at 10 million but with Gyeong-gi surrounding it bringing the true metro population to 23 million is a bit of an exception due to being the capital city. So, better than a North American city of 2.3 million people? Though I'm sure Toronto at 6 million may have more going on in terms of amenities. But Seoul's not bad. Always something to do and I don't mean drinking.
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