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Why You Should Not Teach English Overseas
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:49 pm    Post subject: Why You Should Not Teach English Overseas Reply with quote

http://www.englishtoolbox.com/teaching.html

Great article, and the reason I post it is because of the following excerpt:

Having sex with foreign women or children. It�s a sad fact of life that some men travel overseas to engage in prostitution with local women at lower cost and risk than they can at home. Becoming an English teacher is just a way for them to extend a sordid vacation from weeks into months or years. What those who do this in Africa or Asia forget, however, is that in pursuing anonymous sex away from the prying eyes of family, friends and the authorities back home, they are just the opposite of anonymous in the local environment. The white Westerner who patronizes brothels in such areas is going to be far more memorable and identifiable than the local African or Asian customers are, because he is the exception to the rule. Therefore, when he strolls the streets, he will quickly be recognized as the man who likes to buy prostitutes; it�s only a matter of time before that information becomes widely known at his school. Of course, that�s not the worst thing that could happen: prostitution is often controlled by gangsters and pimps who see the foreigner with something to lose as fair game for intimidation and extortion. Imagine for a moment being suddenly confronted in a prostitute�s room by a group of menacing men demanding something from you in an unknown language: how much would you pay to get out of there unharmed?

There are also some Western males who have difficulty relating to women from their native land, and think that Asian women are �different� (meaning more submissive and less demanding). These men have obviously never met a Korean female, one of the toughest sub-species of Homo sapiens on the planet! Nevertheless, this myth is widespread, and encourages many Western men to travel to Asia to find a fantasy girlfriend or wife among the locals or�worse�among their students. Needless to say, such relationships are almost always doomed to failure. The same is true for men from affluent countries who teach in poorer countries such as Ukraine, Russia or Southeast Asia. While the women there may be open to dating or even marrying their relatively wealthier suitor, it�s almost certainly because they are looking for a ticket to�and citizenship from�his homeland. Once there, they tend to quickly divorce the hapless husband and claim as many of his assets as the law allows. This mutual victimization would be pathetic enough without it also involving the profession of English teaching: as with the itinerant backpacker, the whole TEFL community is tarred with the same brush.


Some Dave's posters posted they pay for sex in Korea, which shocked me. The article gives reasons not to continue that behavior (or not to start, if you haven't already, but are considering it).
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cabeza



Joined: 29 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that's really saying you shouldn't teach overseas.

It's just saying don't bang hookers and don't hook up with nutty Korean broads. A mantra for life, really.
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Zackback



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk

PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People are going to want to know what I think so here goes:

Sad that anyone would come to Korea or I guess pretty much any other Asian country and have to pay for sex. There are so many available chicks all over the place so just pick one and make her yours. No problem.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP:

What a load of absolute shlte.

You really should quit hanging out on the "hill".

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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These men have obviously never met a Korean female, one of the toughest sub-species of Homo sapiens on the planet! Nevertheless, this myth is widespread, and encourages many Western men to travel to Asia to find a fantasy girlfriend or wife among the locals or�worse�among their students. Needless to say, such relationships are almost always doomed to failure


This is funny. The writer obviously had the experience himself of coming over here and ending up with some Korean ball breaker who made his life a misery. Talking of widespread myths, I know loads of Mixed Korean/Western couples and in terms of how many women wear the trousers, they are like any other nationality
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joelove



Joined: 12 May 2011

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, that was a steaming pile of self-righteous crap.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cabeza wrote:
I don't think that's really saying you shouldn't teach overseas.

It's just saying don't bang hookers and don't hook up with nutty Korean broads. A mantra for life, really.


There's a lot of truth in that article, although its overly negative and is more applicable to Thailand or the Philippines.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The overwhelming majority of English instructors are not here to bang hookers... they're here to pay off student loan debts or they're jobless/aimless/unemployable back home.

A couple actually like teaching, but they're few and far between.

Besides, who needs hookers when you have Internet Dating and all those clubs in Itaewon.

The pot bellied sexpat scene is mainly for older white guys from Europe or the States who have no game.
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe some of you guys misinterpreted the title. It wasn't saying don't teach overseas, it was saying don't teach overseas if you are coming for the following reasons. Anyways I think visiting prostitutes is wrong and I think it gave a clear reason why not to. And ttompatz, there is prostitution all over Korea, not just in Itaewon on Hooker Hill. In fact in other places it is even more dangerous to partake in (in terms of being identified and having the community know you go to those places). Someone could easily see you walking in or out. (I hadn't considered foreigners stick out more; that's something new I learned from that article.)
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Maybe some of you guys misinterpreted the title. It wasn't saying don't teach overseas, it was saying don't teach overseas if you are coming for the following reasons. Anyways I think visiting prostitutes is wrong and I think it gave a clear reason why not to. And ttompatz, there is prostitution all over Korea, not just in Itaewon on Hooker Hill. In fact in other places it is even more dangerous to partake in (in terms of being identified and having the community know you go to those places). Someone could easily see you walking in or out. (I hadn't considered foreigners stick out more; that's something new I learned from that article.)


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Becoming an English teacher is just a way for them to extend a sordid vacation from weeks into months or years.


So everyone who came here for the explicit purpose of banging hookers and kids then took up teaching EFL to pay for and extend your "sordid vacation" and hooker habit rather than working to pay off student loans or "teach 'n travel" please raise your hand.

or perhaps this one:
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... women there may be open to dating or even marrying their relatively wealthier suitor, it�s almost certainly because they are looking for a ticket to�and citizenship from�his homeland. Once there, they tend to quickly divorce the hapless husband and claim as many of his assets as the law allows.


Heaven forbid people may just marry for the same reasons they do at home; love, physical attraction, emotional attachment (like there aren't gold diggers in the States or the UK?).

The whole article is a load of shite if ever there was one.

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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
People are going to want to know what I think so here goes:

Sad that anyone would come to Korea or I guess pretty much any other Asian country and have to pay for sex. There are so many available chicks all over the place so just pick one and make her yours. No problem.



As a good friend of mine once said, "one way or another, you"ll pay for it.

Don't kid yourself".
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if an bigoted, sex-crazed, fussy eater who hates his country and wants to escape from his financial problems shouldn't teach overseas, what exactly should he do? Go into politics? Seems like such a man's options are mightily limited.
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Waygeek



Joined: 27 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think OP meant it as 'don't teach in Asia', I think he meant 'please don't come here to teach for these reasons, come because you want to teach'.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waygeek wrote:
I don't think OP meant it as 'don't teach in Asia', I think he meant 'please don't come here to teach for these reasons, come because you want to teach'.


Quote:
So if an bigoted, sex-crazed, fussy eater who hates his country and wants to escape from his financial problems shouldn't teach overseas, what exactly should he do? Go into politics? Seems like such a man's options are mightily limited.
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everything-is-everything



Joined: 06 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Why You Should Not Teach English Overseas Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:

There are also some Western males who have difficulty relating to women from their native land, and think that Asian women are �different� (meaning more submissive and less demanding). These men have obviously never met a Korean female, one of the toughest sub-species of Homo sapiens on the planet!



The author obviously has no game. Laughing


But it's true, there are some Western guys who come to Asia thinking they'll easily be able to pick up chicks but fail miserably.

The author is one of these losers.
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