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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Korean culture at its best! |
Oh please... this has nothing to do with him being Korean. Copping a feel of some irresistible booty is a crime men over the world have been committing since the invention of the erection.
Add to that, he was punished for his actions. You Korea haters on Dave's make me laugh. No matter what the fallout from this, you'd find a way to complain. |
Excuse me, how was he "punished" when he hasn't faced justice yet? It's amazing that you would even think he was "punished." |
Punished in public shame and losing his cushy job. He'll never get a public facing job again, but something in the private sector as an 'advisor' is possible. |
Getting fired isn't punishment for a felony. The court in the US will be the one to determine his punishment. |
Probably can't due to diplomatic immunity. And I don't see the US asking for it to be waved in this case. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
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| Los Angeloser wrote: |
| cfile2 wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
| Korean culture at its best! |
Oh please... this has nothing to do with him being Korean. Copping a feel of some irresistible booty is a crime men over the world have been committing since the invention of the erection.
Add to that, he was punished for his actions. You Korea haters on Dave's make me laugh. No matter what the fallout from this, you'd find a way to complain. |
Excuse me, how was he "punished" when he hasn't faced justice yet? It's amazing that you would even think he was "punished." |
Punished in public shame and losing his cushy job. He'll never get a public facing job again, but something in the private sector as an 'advisor' is possible. |
Getting fired isn't punishment for a felony. The court in the US will be the one to determine his punishment. |
Probably can't due to diplomatic immunity. And I don't see the US asking for it to be waved in this case. |
Being fired isn't "punishment," people get fired everyday on the job for various reasons but I've never heard it referred to as "punishment." It's a consequence of not doing your job well enough or properly. "Punishment" how lame! We'll see what happens with Yoon and what kind of charge(s) come down/how many soon enough, according to what PGH says. "Public shame" is also not "punishment" in this situation, it's the consequence of really messing up(legally?) while doing your "public facing job."
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:12 am Post subject: |
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This just keeps getting better.
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First, the sexual assault was a bit more extensive than previously believed. Recall that previously, the story was: (1) Yoon grabbed the buttocks of the intern, then; (2) later, Yoon summoned the intern to the room, and answered the door naked. Now, according to multiple Blue House officials, Yoon was not simply in the room in his birthday suit, but was �pacing around.� And when the frightened intern was about to leave, Yoon demanded sex and grabbed her buttocks one more time.
This is a fairly significant change, because a sexual assault in an enclosed hotel room�as opposed to a bar from which one can leave at any time�can easily bump the charges against Yoon from misdemeanor to felony. If the D.C. prosecutors decide to indict Yoon as a felon, Yoon becomes a subject of extradition. Although Korea can always refuse to extradite its own citizen to U.S. on a discretionary basis (as can the U.S. to Korea,) it is pretty hard to imagine Korea actually exercising that veto.
Second, immediately after the intern left the hotel room, she went to her own hotel room, shared by an employee of Korea Culture DC, an auxiliary to Korean Embassy. Soon, the head of the KCDC visited their room, and spoke with the intern for about 10 minutes. At this interview, the intern told the KCDC official what happened�i.e. the harassment at the bar, assault at the hotel room, etc. After the discussion, the KCDC official reported the incident to the Blue House staff. Later, the KCDC official visited the the intern�s room again, this time with a �Blue House official.� At this point, the intern and the KCDC employee locked the door, refused to see them, and eventually called the police.
There is no further detail on what happened in the second visit that caused the intern to lock the door and call the police. A fair inference is that the KCDC and the Blue House officials attempted to cover up the incident, which enraged the intern. There is also suspicion that Yoon Chang-joong himself was at the intern�s door at the second visit, which would explain the reaction.
Third, it appears pretty clear that the Blue House staff spirited Yoon away, did not report to the president, and lied to the press initially. Initially, the Blue House staff claimed that Yoon ran away without telling them. That turned out to be false. Then the Blue House staff claimed that they gave Yoon a choice, and Yoon chose to return to Korea. That is also likely false. New report says that Lee Nam-ki, the chief of public relations, told Yoon to go to Lee�s hotel room as soon as Lee learned the incident. Further, it was the KCDC staff that reserved the flight ticket, and arranged the car for Yoon to head to the Dulles airport.
That the Blue House may have impeded an active investigation is not news. But the fact that this is their third version of the story does not help their credibility. This entire event could have been ushered into conclusion in three days. Instead, the Blue House is repeatedly shooting itself in the foot, turning this into an unmitigated disaster. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:38 am Post subject: |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Yet the lying, blaming, cheating, covering up......continues in Korea. It must be cultural.
I think Yoon ruined the Park administration. I gotta give him credit for exposing the real Korean culture. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Yet the lying, blaming, cheating, covering up......continues in Korea. It must be cultural.
I think Yoon ruined the Park administration. I gotta give him credit for exposing the real Korean culture. |
You don't really believe this is the real Korean culture do you? |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Dumb asses.
If you are going to cover something up, at least do a good job of it.
Or better yet, just boot the guy to the authorities, wash your hands of him, and get on with the rest of your life. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Link to the article Optik posted
Given the prevalence of rape and sexual assault that goes on in Korea, incidents like this should really compel you to look down on this society at large. There are plenty of good things about Korea, but Korean men on the average are whackos, especially when you infuse them with the gasoline-laced national drink of choice we all know as soju (don't know what the guy in question was drinking). It's the ageism, male-dominated hierarchy that continues to allow these sick twisted old freaks to get away with this stuff. If he pulled this naked ass grabbing stunt in Korea, I doubt any of us would have ever heard about it. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Link to the article Optik posted
Given the prevalence of rape and sexual assault that goes on in Korea, incidents like this should really compel you to look down on this society at large. There are plenty of good things about Korea, but Korean men on the average are whackos, especially when you infuse them with the gasoline-laced national drink of choice we all know as soju (don't know what the guy in question was drinking). It's the ageism, male-dominated hierarchy that continues to allow these sick twisted old freaks to get away with this stuff. If he pulled this naked ass grabbing stunt in Korea, I doubt any of us would have ever heard about it. |
Rape is prevalent where I'm from. 1.3 million a year the CDC estimates. Doesn't change my opinion on US society. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Link to the article Optik posted
Given the prevalence of rape and sexual assault that goes on in Korea, incidents like this should really compel you to look down on this society at large. There are plenty of good things about Korea, but Korean men on the average are whackos, especially when you infuse them with the gasoline-laced national drink of choice we all know as soju (don't know what the guy in question was drinking). It's the ageism, male-dominated hierarchy that continues to allow these sick twisted old freaks to get away with this stuff. If he pulled this naked ass grabbing stunt in Korea, I doubt any of us would have ever heard about it. |
Rape is prevalent where I'm from. 1.3 million a year the CDC estimates. Doesn't change my opinion on US society. |
Eh, I'm guessing you're from the US, and rape is a problem everywhere, there's no doubt about that, obviously. However, I think Korean men are well above the average on the rape meter, Korean dudes are big in the rape game. We all know that rape is underreported everywhere. But rape is a huge, largely unrepresented issue in Korea. Rape statistics never tell the real story, but in my time here, I've come to the conclusion that rape is a huge cultural catastrophe for Korea that is usually swept under the rug or downplayed by men in power. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Link to the article Optik posted
Given the prevalence of rape and sexual assault that goes on in Korea, incidents like this should really compel you to look down on this society at large. There are plenty of good things about Korea, but Korean men on the average are whackos, especially when you infuse them with the gasoline-laced national drink of choice we all know as soju (don't know what the guy in question was drinking). It's the ageism, male-dominated hierarchy that continues to allow these sick twisted old freaks to get away with this stuff. If he pulled this naked ass grabbing stunt in Korea, I doubt any of us would have ever heard about it. |
Rape is prevalent where I'm from. 1.3 million a year the CDC estimates. Doesn't change my opinion on US society. |
Eh, I'm guessing you're from the US, and rape is a problem everywhere, there's no doubt about that, obviously. However, I think Korean men are well above the average on the rape meter, Korean dudes are big in the rape game. We all know that rape is underreported everywhere. But rape is a huge, largely unrepresented issue in Korea. Rape statistics never tell the real story, but in my time here, I've come to the conclusion that rape is a huge cultural catastrophe for Korea that is usually swept under the rug or downplayed by men in power. |
But everything you're saying is based on conjecture. Is it under reported? Yes. Are Korean dudes raping on average more than other dudes. Dunno. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| But everything you're saying is based on conjecture. Is it under reported? Yes. Are Korean dudes raping on average more than other dudes. Dunno. |
If rape statistics are under reported as you agreed they are, where does "conjecture" become ambiguous? There's no fine line. You admitted that rape is an under reported statistic. Are Korean dudes raping on average more than other dudes? You say you dunno, but I say yes, strongly. There's also a support system in place to protect them as well. A lot of K-dudes are rapey. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yet the lying, blaming, cheating, covering up......continues in Korea. It must be cultural.
I think Yoon ruined the Park administration. I gotta give him credit for exposing the real Korean culture. |
You don't really believe this is the real Korean culture do you? |
Yeah, the save face at all cost and no honor culture. They'll throw their mother under the train to save their face. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Korean dudes are big in the rape game. |
Even if triple the number of rapes occur here, compared to the OECD average, that doesn't support the conclusion that Korean dudes are big into rape.
That's like saying that because America has triple the homicides, that American guys are big into murder.
For Korean guys to be "rapey" you'd need something like at least over 20% and really over 50% to make that claim. Unless you have statistics that show over 20% of Korean men have committed rape, then your charge is baseless, and moves into the category of bigoted and prejudiced.
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Yeah, the save face at all cost and no honor culture. They'll throw their mother under the train to save their face. |
And a lot of them will throw themselves under the bus to save her face.
You don't get it, do you. It's the family's integrity that matters. If the family's name is threatened then someone will take the fall. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Once again a thread turns to Korean dudes are bad. |
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