|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
|
 Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 8:23 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| hanguker wrote: |
Yes, double the memory 50K.
Granted your motherboard is 70K more than theirs.
Sorry for the rapid edits...but you keep editing. 
Anyhow...I know you're not going to lower the price, but maybe get ready to take the machine with you wherever you are going. |
Double the memory, double the price actually, just checked amazon.
It's a great machine. I have no issue keeping it; leaving it with a friend for two weeks while I travel/move. It's a beast and I'll be maxing games out on it for a while; I just like to build and wanted to build a new one upon returning.
Waygookin in S.K. are by and large a very miserly lot, keen to not give fellow waygookin a penny extra. I knew it was a long shot posting here, but I have some interest from some Koreans on CL, so it's all good. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
|
| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 10:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Waygeek wrote: |
| maximmm wrote: |
I know for a fact that once new generation of platforms comes out, the minimum specs for PC games tend to rise significantly over the following year or so. |
You know for a fact... how? PS4 have XBOX One have specs that are similar to that cheap PC I also have listed. Not the expensive one. And the expensive one is not high-end, it's decidedly mid-range (high mid-range, but still).
. |
Oh, I agree that platforms are always trying to catch up with PCs and failing. Yet.... I wouldn't exactly say that they are all that bad.
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-xbox-720-vs-ps4-vs-pc-how-the-hardware-specs-compare
PS4's GPU is on par with Radeon 7870, hence it is more powerful than gtx 660ti - Combine that with an 8 core CPU and 8GB of GDDR5 memory - it's a pretty legit machine by today's standards - not cheap.
Furthermore, one has to consider that because all platforms have the same configurations, game makers optimize their games to run particularly well on those machines. PCs are all different, optimization is often an issue - and for that reason one usually needs to have a PC with specs which are substantially better than their platform counterparts to run games well.
The point being, when PS4 and Xbox One come out - and when game developers start optimizing new games for those platforms, PC hardware will have to make an evolutionary jump forward, which will cause minimum specs to rise by a great margin. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
phatrick
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Busan
|
| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Waygeek wrote: |
I wish technology sucked for holding its value, but unfortunately the opposite is true if the technology is good. Important factor there. |
If I were to sell my rig right now, I would lose so much money. I consider it near top of the line. http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/3722444
I would love to sell my 680's and replace with 780's but I woulnd't get but 350k for each of them. If I asked 550k for them, who would buy them when they could buy brand new ones with warranty for 650k. Technology does not hold value. Used equipment is used, period. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Location: Korea
|
| Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 9:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Waygeek wrote: |
Waygookin in S.K. are by and large a very miserly lot, keen to not give fellow waygookin a penny extra. I knew it was a long shot posting here, but I have some interest from some Koreans on CL, so it's all good. |
I don't think it's miserly at all, just informed. It is just smart not to buy a 6-month old PC for a tiny d/c off what those specs can be bought for brand new. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
|
| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 1:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
| phatrick wrote: |
| Waygeek wrote: |
I wish technology sucked for holding its value, but unfortunately the opposite is true if the technology is good. Important factor there. |
If I were to sell my rig right now, I would lose so much money. I consider it near top of the line. http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/3722444
I would love to sell my 680's and replace with 780's but I woulnd't get but 350k for each of them. If I asked 550k for them, who would buy them when they could buy brand new ones with warranty for 650k. Technology does not hold value. Used equipment is used, period. |
I think Waygeek could be convinced to buy it for 550K - but only if you buy his rig for 1.3 mill^^ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
phatrick
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Busan
|
| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 3:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
| hanguker wrote: |
| Waygeek wrote: |
Waygookin in S.K. are by and large a very miserly lot, keen to not give fellow waygookin a penny extra. I knew it was a long shot posting here, but I have some interest from some Koreans on CL, so it's all good. |
I don't think it's miserly at all, just informed. It is just smart not to buy a 6-month old PC for a tiny d/c off what those specs can be bought for brand new. |
I think it's more like many waygookin try to take advantage of other uniformed newbie waygookin by selling used things that are to close to the new value. I see it all the time but usually I don't bother posting anything... but for some reason I just felt like jumping in this convo. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
|
| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Waygeek wrote: |
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
mine is an adata. |
1. What the hell is an adata? No one should be buying SSD's that are not respectable brands like Crucial or Samsung; SSD's are new tech and pretty failure prone if you buy the wrong brand. Crucial or Samsung are the only two recommendations you'll get from people who actually know what they're talking about.
2. 128GB is fine, but 256GB is better. It's much better having ten or so of my most played steam games on an SSD. Load times in the ten second load range, is great. You keep your off brand small SSD. This is an all-round great system, not a great graphics card hooked up to mediocre components like yours. And on top of that, it's cheaper than what you paid.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
then if you want to do the "mine is bigger" dance, my hdd is THREE TIMES your size at 3tb compared to your 1tb. AND your platter spins at 5400rpm, mine at 7200rpm. another big performance difference. |
Actually you're the only one sad enough to be doing that, I'm just looking to get a fair price for my gear.
You seem to be obsessed with this HDD; HDD's are the most inconsequential thing someone needs to worry about when building. A good SSD is so much more important. You have external storage as an option, I prefer this too because then I can share with friends. You have the ease of installing another HDD yourself. It's a non-issue. 1TB is a good size; if a buyer wants me to put in more at a cost, I have no problem doing that.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
yes your cpu is "better" though in real world performance almost not at all. |
Nope, its much better in the real world and whatever imaginary worlds you think exist, and also, again, with the next gen coming as early as November, multi-threading will become far more important.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
to add a final nail into the coffin your supposedly superior power supply is rated at 500watts. i've got a 620watt psu that supports two gpu's in case a user would like to run cards in SLI for a little bit of fun futureproofing. your psu will not be able to support another high end gpu. so there's that.
|
Actually this is completely incorrect, you obviously don't know your wattages. But you also don't know your motherboard sizes either. You do know that a mini-ITX only has one slot for a GPU right? So where would I put a second GPU? Hanging out the case? You know nothing about computers mate.
Also, LOL at using the term futureproofing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4ip08auGg
And again, my PSU will convert automatically if it were to be taken back to the west. If you were to sell your PC, the buyer would have to replace the PSU if they went home. So, there's that.
Also, you might have noticed, but we live abroad. Do your water-cooling and multi-GPU setup at home. This is a nice, purpose built, powerful PC, in a small case that can travel to another country if needs be. It's probably half the height of yours too. It's small, powerful, air-cooled, and has a converting PSU. Perfect for expats.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
since pc's are one of my specialties |
I see where you get your username from. I built this PC, spent weeks researching components; I do not need market advice from someone who bought theirs pre-made.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
have questions on current market values, please feel free to pm me.
|
Only if you want a bad system, guys. Otherwise head over to overclock.net and they'll steer you right.
Wishfullthinking, got a link to the original Craigslist ad for your PC? Should be in your emails with your seller. |
this will be the last post i make since you are also now getting rightfully owned by other posters. i think my job here is pretty much done.
first, here's a link to the adata drive i have which is a respected enthusiast company. please note my drive spanks your crucial m4 in every single test.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=988&Itemid=60&limit=1&limitstart=1
you are an idiot if you think only crucial and samsung are companies enthusiasts buy. "off-brand". what a fool.
a solid 7200rpm drive versus a 5400rmp drive is NOT an non-issue. and really, external storage when you can just get a bigger internal hdd? such awful advice to tell someone to use external storage... yeah you have fun with those awful usb transfer times (even 3.0) while i take advantage of my sataIII connection.
you are delusional mate. your i7 will not gain you any kind of noticeable fps gain over a good i5 like mine. it just won't. and your next generation nonsense is just misleading to potential buyers. your gpu will bottleneck you at THIS generation, not even considering the NEXT generation. in short, your processor makes little to no difference over an i5 and your gpu is your main weakness. i'd absolutely LOVE for you to show me benchmarks of your machine running current gen games then running "next gen" games. i guarantee you that my rig for only a tiny bit more will make yours look like a compaq and that your precious i7 will make negligible gains because i actually know how to build a good gaming rig.
mini itx... oh you are such a real gamer and computer enthusiast. /sarcasm
you know nothing about psu's it seems. good luck using your psu's rated wattage for multiple high end gpu's if you ever decide to switch it to a real gaming rig (hint: you can't)
i don't spend "weeks researching components" i stay up-to-date with them. and yes, you're right. i bought mine pre-made for almost the same price as yours. hmm. who made the bad decision? i got great after service in case something broke (and strangely enough, something did) so i wouldn't lose money out of my own pocket or deal with lengthy refund/exchange times which immediately paid off. a man came as soon as i called him to my home and switched out my hardware. i win.
i know everything that i got. just because i chose to have a reputable company build it so i could get A/S isn't a handicap, it's actually a good idea. you are the one who made the bad choice hand-building in korea. lol
so have fun being wrong some more and having other posters reiterate the fact that you are asking way too much for your machine.
too bad you didn't just take the first advice i posted and now have made yourself look like a giant tool who has no idea what his machine is worth/knows what his machine is worth and is trying to con others into paying way too much. it's sad really cause i like geeks in general. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
|
| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Waygeek wrote: |
Waygookin in S.K. are by and large a very miserly lot, keen to not give fellow waygookin a penny extra. I knew it was a long shot posting here, but I have some interest from some Koreans on CL, so it's all good. |
Also, Koreans are so used to being ripped off by other Koreans that they don't know what is a fair price. I found this with buying/selling guitars. They are content to pay the 30% markup tacked on by greedy retailers, whereas foreigners tend to know what's going on.
You should put it on a Korean site, because it isn't so easy to pull the wool over foreigners' eyes. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
richiemgd
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
|
| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Did anyone notice when waygeek joined? 27 Feb 2013 mmmmm
It is too bad that this thread is done.
I found it funny to watch waygeek trying to get the best money he could (who could blame him) but then try to BS to justify it.
Someone trying to sell something for 70% of their purchase price 8 months later? For other things sure, but not tech.
someone already said: used is used. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
|
| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| cj1976 wrote: |
Also, Koreans are so used to being ripped off by other Koreans that they don't know what is a fair price. I found this with buying/selling guitars. They are content to pay the 30% markup tacked on by greedy retailers, whereas foreigners tend to know what's going on.
You should put it on a Korean site, because it isn't so easy to pull the wool over foreigners' eyes. |
Racist BS. We have retailers in the west you know, you might have seen one or two in your time. They're just not misers. They're willing to spend money.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
this will be the last post i make since you are also now getting rightfully owned by other posters. i think my job here is pretty much done. |
No this will be your last post because you aren't willing to post the original ad for your PC. And we both know why (I saw the ad too).
It will also be your last post because my PC is far more suitable for an expat than yours. Smaller, converting PSU (rated 80plus, so a very dependable PSU too) and of course mini-ITX. We need to be able to move at very short notice, that's just the life we lead.
In my five years of perusing overclock.net I have NEVER seen mention of adata as a brand. Crucial and Samsung are the ONLY SSD's that come recommended.
| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
you are delusional mate. your i7 will not gain you any kind of noticeable fps gain over a good i5 like mine. it just won't. and your next generation nonsense is just misleading to potential buyers. your gpu will bottleneck you at THIS generation, not even considering the NEXT generation. in short, your processor makes little to no difference over an i5 and your gpu is your main weakness. |
You contradicted yourself. So, what is the bottleneck? CPU or GPU? Looks like you can't decide. For anyone that has the simplest clue about multi-threading, no, the i7 will do fine next gen. Next gen game engines use multi-threading, you're just too out of the loop I guess. And the 660ti is probably the best reviewed mid-range card out there, people are more than welcome to go and look at some reviews. It's a great card. My system is very well balanced.
And for all the completely misinformed about 'what it's worth', here are the current prices on GMarket, compiled in a nice spreadsheet.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1637572/PC.ods
| richiemgd wrote: |
| Did anyone notice when waygeek joined? 27 Feb 2013 mmmmm |
I'm struggling to find what you think is relevant... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
richiemgd
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
|
| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
the relevance was stated below that.
You want an abnormal high price for used goods, good for you, I am the same. You only came here because you think some fool on this site will not know any better.
Cheers. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Waygeek
Joined: 27 Feb 2013
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
phatrick
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Busan
|
| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I am all so curious... why and the h%ll did you not shell out an extra 40k won for the K model of that chip? I can tell you in benchmarks I can see a world of difference between my 3770k at stock vs 4.7ghz. And if you are just gaming why did you bother even getting the 3770? There are almost none if not any games that utilize hyper-threading, you might as well saved yourself some money and got the 3570. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
|
| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Take some constructive criticism onboard and go sell to those lovely non-racist Koreans. People are trying to help you but your default stance on this board seems to be defensive. Clearly, your offer isn't great so why be a such a tool and insult the very people you are trying to sell to? Not the best business sense. As a gesture of good will, I have suggested some sites that might help you with your sale. Good luck.
http://www.jungonara.kr/
http://cafe.daum.net/vmffotl
http://freemarket.co.kr/ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
phatrick
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Busan
|
| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Point is they are worth more to me then to sell for 350. Amazon is not a great site to use here in Korea. Here is a guy selling exact same card I have on Korean used website for 400k. http://dmall.danawa.com/sale/saleView.php?nSaleSeq=4228629&nCateC1=861&nCateC2=876&nCateC3=972&nCateC4=0
A year ago I paid 700k for that card. I can't justify selling it for what the used price is. 300k loss in 1 year. I will keep my SLI since it plays everything I put at it decently. I am an upgrade-holic but also not stupid and it goes to show that your price is to high. When I sold my 560ti's SLI to someone on here, I cut the price they were at the time of selling by 40%. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
