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DanseurVertical



Joined: 24 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:08 am    Post subject: stray dogs - fate in Korea? Reply with quote

My old neighborhood in Seoul was an upper middle class area near the river. I only lived there for a few months, but during that time I noticed some posts announcing a lost dog with 500,000 or more reward. Yes, the people probably have enough spare money that they're willing to pay that much for safe retrieval of their lost dog.

But it made me wonder, what do they think may happen to their dog? In the same area, late at night and in places people rarely go, I've noticed a small pack of stray dogs. Admittedly, I had no food to give them, but they seemed very avoidant.

I have also lived in Taipei, where there are (far too) many stray dogs. However, stray dogs and humans in Taipei get along well. I don't think that adopting a stray is common there, but interacting with them and giving them some food is common.

There are some problems with the situation in Taipei, but why is it so dramatically different from in Korea? The climate here explains a little, but what about dogs that get lost in spring / summer?

I'm seriously wondering whether stray dogs - former family pets - commonly get eaten in Seoul, and whether ordinary Koreans care about this. Do not make this into an ethical debate! I'm just wondering about best recorded facts.
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optik404



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dogs that Koreans eat are a certain breed. They are bred for consumption. Most Koreans prefer the small yappy dogs for pets. So, if they were to lose a pet, I doubt anyone is scooping them up and eating them.
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they get taken to a shelter and then killed after a time
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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

optik404 wrote:
The dogs that Koreans eat are a certain breed. They are bred for consumption. Most Koreans prefer the small yappy dogs for pets. So, if they were to lose a pet, I doubt anyone is scooping them up and eating them.

True, I know this. Western breeds are commonly viewed as pets, and Korean breeds are viewed as meat ... The lost pets were small dogs but a little more than 10 kg. Same for the little pack of dogs in that area. They were not little yappy dogs, but none was even medium sized, if you assume the Great Dane as large.
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littlelisa



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a Korean news program or TV show that did some research and that some of the strays are eaten. A lot of times people think there's only one breed for eating, and mostly that's true, but a lot of places sell smaller dogs (for food). At the time people were upset about it, but I think they were focusing on the wrong problem.

I think the problem is not the eating of these dogs, but how commonly Koreans buy pets and then throw them out once they are tired of keeping them. People here sometimes really just buy pets on a whim because they look cute!
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littlelisa



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOoB4n7jHqA
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: stray dogs - fate in Korea? Reply with quote

DanseurVertical wrote:


I'm seriously wondering whether stray dogs - former family pets - commonly get eaten in Seoul, and whether ordinary Koreans care about this. Do not make this into an ethical debate! I'm just wondering about best recorded facts.


The stray dogs in Indonesia get cleared out and eaten right away. I wish Thais would eat stray dogs too. Maybe they could be convinced that they might be tasty.

In Korea the answer is No, Koreans that eat dog only eat a special type of dog that is breed for eating. The same is true in Thailand and most likely in Taiwan and throughout Asia. They are black in color and only served at special dog eating restaurants. Most Koreans look down a little bit in disdain at people eating dogs. It's a brutal practice for anyone who has seen a dog being carried into a restaurant. I haven't but others I know have.


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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's my understanding that Koreans do not only eat a certain breed of dog specially bred for that purpose. I had a co-worker a few years ago who lived near Moran Market (Korea's largest dog meat market), and she said there were all kinds of dogs there. I've also seen photos on the Internet of trucks full of dogs stuffed together in a big mesh wire. They were taken in Korea (Korean license plates, road signs in Korean, etc.). I don't even know why people use this as a defense anyway: Provided you aren't stealing someone's pets, is eating all kinds of dogs somehow 'worse' than a certain breed? I don't see how it's any different, good or bad.

I don't have an agenda here: While I am a dog-lover and the thought of eating dog disturbs me greatly, ultimately I think it's ethically no different from eating any other kind of meat.

About stray dogs: There are shelters which euthanise the dogs after a certain period of time, and there are others that never do. I volunteer at a shelter in Yangju (NE of Seoul) that doesn't euthanise; there are dogs that have been there their whole lives, which in some cases is over a decade. Sad

BTW, if anyone is interested in volunteering at the dog shelter, let me know! Very Happy
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Mix1



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: stray dogs - fate in Korea? Reply with quote

DanseurVertical wrote:

There are some problems with the situation in Taipei, but why is it so dramatically different from in Korea?

Maybe because they don't hate/fear animals to the same degree as here. I've never been anywhere else where the dogs and cats are so scared of people and vice versa.

Also, ever see the way some people here totally freak over seeing a dog that weighs more than 3 pounds? Funny stuff.

As for only eating ONE BREED of dog... that's BS. What's the 'breed' called then? "Dong-gae?" It just means mixed dog, which means pretty much any dog will do.

Some Koreans might believe that it's a special breed only, or maybe just say it for better PR, or to differentiate them from pet dogs, or to just justify the practice in general, which some can be sensitive about.

Talk to more Koreans about it, and you'll get a bunch of mixed info on that, but the honest ones who've been around a bit will tell you it's pretty much any dog.

There are people they can call to give up a dog to for consumption, and these same guys patrol for strays as well. No idea how common they are, but a friend's mom actually called them to get rid of their dog when they made the move to the city and didn't want to bring the dog with them. It was just some small mutt, not some special breed. She told the family it ran away, but several years later the truth came out.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:


I don't have an agenda here: While I am a dog-lover and the thought of eating dog disturbs me greatly, ultimately I think it's ethically no different from eating any other kind of meat.



Ethically it is different than eating cattle and sheep in my opinion. Dogs are intelligent and evolved and are raised and bred to be pets and farm help not eaten. Of course pigs are intelligent too but they are bred to be eaten and usually not for pets.

The ethical consideration of getting rid of dogs in countries like Thailand are that they carry rabies and attack and bite people. Every year many Thai children die from rabies after being bitten and not telling anybody about it. This is why they euthanize in Western countries.

Somebody can correct me on this if they know more, but I read that 80% of tested dogs in Thailand test seropositive for rabies, very dangerous indeed.
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transmogrifier



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They all get taken to a big farm in Gyeonggido where they get to play with their little doggie friends, chase butterflies and sniff as many butts as they like.
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Mix1



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:53 am    Post subject: Re: stray dogs - fate in Korea? Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:
I wish Thais would eat stray dogs too. Maybe they could be convinced that they might be tasty.

There is a difference in the way Thais view and treat dogs and cats vs. how Koreans view and treat them.

In Thailand, many 'stray' dogs and cats are mellow, because they aren't being hunted down or exterminated. I put 'stray' in quotes because it seems there are a lot of community animals there that just bounce from person to person and get some attention or food, or at least just be ignored and not hunted to make soup for old men's 'stamina'.
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Mix1



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:
cdninkorea wrote:


I don't have an agenda here: While I am a dog-lover and the thought of eating dog disturbs me greatly, ultimately I think it's ethically no different from eating any other kind of meat.



Ethically it is different than eating cattle and sheep in my opinion. Dogs are intelligent and evolved and are raised and bred to be pets and farm help not eaten. Of course pigs are intelligent too but they are bred to be eaten and usually not for pets.

The ethical consideration of getting rid of dogs in countries like Thailand are that they carry rabies and attack and bite people. Every year many Thai children die from rabies after being bitten and not telling anybody about it. This is why they euthanize in Western countries.

Somebody can correct me on this if they know more, but I read that 80% of tested dogs in Thailand test seropositive for rabies, very dangerous indeed.

Hmm....
young_clinton wrote:
I wish Thais would eat stray dogs too.

Given your stats, doesn't seem like the best idea to eat them, does it?

But anyway, better to euthanize when it is needed.
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chickenpie



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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: stray dogs - fate in Korea? Reply with quote

young_clinton wrote:


In Korea the answer is No, Koreans that eat dog only eat a special type of dog that is breed for eating.


That is utter rubbish.

My wife's father used to keep dogs for eating and I've seen everything from Jindo dogs to dogs that look like labs in his cages. I even asked him which breed was the most delicious and he said the Jindo dog. Shocked

We've managed to get him to stop after he saw the dog we have, it's quite big by Korean standards, it's trained behave well and he said he realised that dog are too intelligent to eat! Cool
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nicwr2002



Joined: 17 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: stray dogs - fate in Korea? Reply with quote

chickenpie wrote:
young_clinton wrote:


In Korea the answer is No, Koreans that eat dog only eat a special type of dog that is breed for eating.


That is utter rubbish.

My wife's father used to keep dogs for eating and I've seen everything from Jindo dogs to dogs that look like labs in his cages. I even asked him which breed was the most delicious and he said the Jindo dog. Shocked

We've managed to get him to stop after he saw the dog we have, it's quite big by Korean standards, it's trained behave well and he said he realised that dog are too intelligent to eat! Cool


I agree, I saw some kind of investigative reporting about dog eating and they didn't discriminate on what type of dog to eat. Maybe the "certain type of dog" was spread around to make the ones that eat dogs feel better about themselves.
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