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le-paul
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and i remember when i was in france they didnt seem to have much of a treatment going on for anything (similar to korea - not acknowledging depression etc).
i also remember reading that the french seem to be a bit liberal with electro convulsive treatments ( electric shock therapy). Their treatments for for mental health are draconian. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Funny, I've observed a few teachers' classes when they've said in the lesson plan that a particular kid was ADHD and that kid has been fine during the lesson. Maybe it's just selective ADHD (it doesn't kick in during a formal situation)or maybe they were given something beforehand. |
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ghostrider
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| Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
and i remember when i was in france they didnt seem to have much of a treatment going on for anything (similar to korea - not acknowledging depression etc).
i also remember reading that the french seem to be a bit liberal with electro convulsive treatments ( electric shock therapy). Their treatments for for mental health are draconian. |
They're still using the guillotine treatment? |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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and i remember when i was in france they didnt seem to have much of a treatment going on for anything (similar to korea - not acknowledging depression etc). |
Maybe they are smart?
The whole solving your problems with drugs thing doesn't work. Americans are really hooked on this whole science trip; they get sick because of their underlying chemical-based lifestyle, take some drugs to fix it, keep getting sicker, take more drugs, drug interactions make them sicker, industry profits go higher and higher, while they get sicker and sicker. Wow, that was smart. About the only thing you can learn from it is go long big pharma stocks.
KR understands a pill doesn't fix anything. Hell, I can't even get a freakin' Tylenol PM here. They just don't go down that road. |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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KR understands a pill doesn't fix anything. Hell, I can't even get a freakin' Tylenol PM here. They just don't go down that road. |
Last time i went to the doctor here I was prescribed 7 pills twice a day. Back home they would have told me to go home and take a rest.
Korea goes down the pill road more than any other country I've been to.
The only reason it doesn't with psychological issues is because of the social stigma. |
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joelove
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It is pretty incredible how many conditions exist now that they have been discovered or invented and labeled and medications have been made for many of them. A lot of people genuinely do need help, and pills can help many, but no way is the need as widespread as it has been made to seem. I don't know what the stats are, something like 1 in 4 (Americans) are said to have some sort of mental illness during their lifetime? I agree a lot of people are messed up in one way or another, but being a little bit messed up is pretty much normal. Really sane people aren't all that common. Most of us manage to function OK anyway.
All these conditions and diagnoses increasing each decade is a scary trend. And some of them are trendy, like some people claiming ADD or Asperger's. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
and i remember when i was in france they didnt seem to have much of a treatment going on for anything (similar to korea - not acknowledging depression etc).
i also remember reading that the french seem to be a bit liberal with electro convulsive treatments ( electric shock therapy). Their treatments for for mental health are draconian. |
Actually the French do a lot of work with behaviroal issues and Family systems theory. The article that you posted is very interesting to read over.
I think one of the biggest issues is the prevalence of soy products in baby food and the amount of sugar and highly processed food that is consumed by young people. It's been effecting us negatively for a couple generations. |
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Harpeau
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Double Post.
Last edited by Harpeau on Thu May 30, 2013 9:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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KR understands a pill doesn't fix anything. Hell, I can't even get a freakin' Tylenol PM here. They just don't go down that road. |
Last time i went to the doctor here I was prescribed 7 pills twice a day. Back home they would have told me to go home and take a rest.
Korea goes down the pill road more than any other country I've been to. |
Oh come on now, that's just wacky talk. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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It is pretty incredible how many conditions exist now that they have been discovered or invented and labeled and medications have been made for many of them. A lot of people genuinely do need help, and pills can help many, but no way is the need as widespread as it has been made to seem. I don't know what the stats are, something like 1 in 4 (Americans) are said to have some sort of mental illness during their lifetime? I agree a lot of people are messed up in one way or another, but being a little bit messed up is pretty much normal. Really sane people aren't all that common. Most of us manage to function OK anyway.
All these conditions and diagnoses increasing each decade is a scary trend. And some of them are trendy, like some people claiming ADD or Asperger's. |
I actually think people really are THAT messed up in the USA. And the longer they continue their current ways of doing things the worse it will get. Sure, they make up a bogus illness name for everything now, like "attention deficit disorder", so they can sell drugs. But people are really messed up, and a pill ain't gonna fix it! |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
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KR understands a pill doesn't fix anything. Hell, I can't even get a freakin' Tylenol PM here. They just don't go down that road. |
Last time i went to the doctor here I was prescribed 7 pills twice a day. Back home they would have told me to go home and take a rest.
Korea goes down the pill road more than any other country I've been to. |
Oh come on now, that's just wacky talk. |
It could be wacky talk. Or maybe you just don't know what you are on about as usual. For a guy who works in the high flying, high intensity world of "venture capital" you sure do spend a lot of time hanging out on an ESL teacher's website. Funny that.
Taken from the Journal of Korean Medical Science
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3271283/
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/09/21/2011092101028.html
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/03/26/2009032661019.html
Taken from the US National Library of Medicine
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23611570
Antibiotic consumption in South Korea remained high compared with other OECD countries
That's strange. Basically it's contradicting what you are saying.
The US definitely has problems with the over prescribing of certain drugs especially behavioral medicines. As long as big pharm has billions of dollars with which to lobby with nothing will happen. |
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