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Weigookin74
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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In individual cases, not much you can do.
As a teacher you can't do anything to stop it unless it is in your immediate vicinity. As soon as the student and bully are out of your line of sight, the bully will just start up again.
Of course you can speak to the parents of both parties and the kids themselves, but chances are that that will have no effect. Maybe the parents can get the kid to change schools, but that is no guarantee that at the new school they won't be targeted. Maybe the bully's parents will convince the kid to stop. The problem is that for such a long period of time, there is no one to watch what goes on.
And the sad thing is, at an individual level, at some point the victim has to stand up for themselves in some manner.
Beyond the individual level, one has to promote a positive and cooperative classroom environment. This means a fun atmosphere, no tolerance for fighting, arguing, and meanness, rewards for helping others, and more. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
In individual cases, not much you can do.
As a teacher you can't do anything to stop it unless it is in your immediate vicinity. As soon as the student and bully are out of your line of sight, the bully will just start up again.
Of course you can speak to the parents of both parties and the kids themselves, but chances are that that will have no effect. Maybe the parents can get the kid to change schools, but that is no guarantee that at the new school they won't be targeted. Maybe the bully's parents will convince the kid to stop. The problem is that for such a long period of time, there is no one to watch what goes on.
And the sad thing is, at an individual level, at some point the victim has to stand up for themselves in some manner.
Beyond the individual level, one has to promote a positive and cooperative classroom environment. This means a fun atmosphere, no tolerance for fighting, arguing, and meanness, rewards for helping others, and more. |
Good points, well said.
Educating the bullies could help somewhat...if they are young enough. I remember at my school we had to watch all these education films on it and have little talks about it. We kind of scoffed at the time, but it did hammer the point home that bullying is wrong.
Bullying is a hierarchical and dominance thing, and although it happens everywhere, these two things are very pronounced and clear in Korea. There are strict hierarchies attached to status: age, income, school, gender, company, position, job, etc. and it's generally accepted. This can lead to a lot of ordering around and soft bullying.
That's not saying it's WORSE than other places, but you do get a lot of kids/people here who probably believe it's their RIGHT to bully those below them, based on these clear levels. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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It sucks being a teacher in this situation, because if you do things like befriend the bullied student in an attempt to counsel them and show them a friendly face at school, or organise to talk to the parents of the bully etc, then chances are you are providing even more of a "reason" for the bullying.
I guess you have to be hypervigilant at school and come down like a tonne of bricks on those little shits who bully others when you catch them in the act.
It's a tough one. |
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optik404

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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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There's a recent news article about parents hiring scary looking gangsters to pick up their kid after school so bully's will stop messing with them. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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optik404 wrote: |
There's a recent news article about parents hiring scary looking gangsters to pick up their kid after school so bully's will stop messing with them. |
You might be onto something, then. Ha ha. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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optik404 wrote: |
There's a recent news article about parents hiring scary looking gangsters to pick up their kid after school so bully's will stop messing with them. |
I smell a movie... |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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There's a bullying problem because the schools are so big, the same is true back home. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Bullying in Korean schools is a big problem. Remember The "Naked graduations" of a few years ago? But what can a foreign teacher do? Not much.
The fact that Korean fathers are absent from the lives of so many of these young people makes an impact over issues like these. This is where Korean fathers need to be teaching their kids how to defend themselves and how to make sure that bullies never bother them again. Unfortunately there will be bullies around all of their lives and many do not bully in the physical sense. Too many mothers don't give the right advice in these situations. These kids need a positive male role model to teach them how to fight back. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
There's a bullying problem because the schools are so big, the same is true back home. |
Bullying (or at least picking on & ostracizing certain students) goes on in middle schools I've taught at here that have less than 50 students total.
Adolescence can be tough. Responsible adults often only have a glimmer of what goes on when the kids are unsupervised. |
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fermentation
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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:49 am Post subject: |
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These kids need a positive male role model to teach them how to fight back. |
Agreed. I've seen a few kids in my boxing gym these days. Their parents seem to know what they're doing. |
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Old fat expat

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Hierarchy
It's imbedded in their language and imbedded in their culture.
Adolescence
Don't know the rules properly yet and are experimenting, quite often in a very clumsy way. In-crowd, out-crowd--it's a heaving mess of promotion/demotion.
Teachers
Should have a role in mediating/managing. Just like a good rugger ref. Man, I've had some sheyit refs in my time though. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:31 am Post subject: |
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This is a tough one.
As a Teacher what you can do is limited to your classroom. Once the students are out of your classroom, you have no power or say. A lot of bullying occurs in the schoolyard or even outside of school limits. Tons more now occurs online through social media and as a teacher not only have you no control over this but trying to mediate or deal with online bullying may land you in a deep pool of stinking trouble.
As a parent, you have to educate your kids about bullying, explain what to look out for and how to deal with bullies.
Schools can help by offering more education on this issue but at the same time, kids and teens can be damn mean to each other. |
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jvalmer

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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:08 am Post subject: |
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dairyairy wrote: |
Remember The "Naked graduations" of a few years ago? |
Those "Naked graduations", were more initiations than bullying. If you took part of it, you'd be part of the 'cool' group. |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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dairyairy wrote: |
These kids need a positive male role model to teach them how to fight back. |
Thats true. Absentee fathers are an epidemic here and in the west.
However if you fight back in korea you end up in court paying blood money. |
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