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hiamnotcool
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I was aware of that event thanks. It was disgusting.
Still and no offense, but this does not translate into AES hounding teachers on the streets of (insert Korean city of your choice).
AES is an ugly organization to be sure, it is in fact a band of angry bigoted scumbags. It should by all accounts be removed but sadly it exists.
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If that is not what AES does, then would you like to tell me what it is they do? Please explain their purpose, and their goal. |
What does AES do?
I does what ALL hate groups do: it hates on whatever the target of their bigotry is. In the case of that sad bunch of drooling retards, that would be foreign teachers in one way or another.
I am not debating the nature of AES. I am however, and will continue to challenge anyone who tries to make some sort of causal relation conclusion between AES and restrictions on FTs.
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Yes, you were debating the nature of AES, you said they aren't going around hounding foreign teachers in Korea. Please explain their purpose and how they aim to achieve that purpose. I thought I knew, but apparently I was wrong. If you can clear that up for me, it would be great thanks. |
I did not debate the nature of AES. I debated and still do the actual reach that sad little group has. They do not systematically hound foreign teachers, there is no documented proof of this. There have been incidences of this but nothing large scale or nation-wide.
AES is what it is: a fringe hate group whose ignorant hatred is directed at FTs but whose reach is extremely limited. Their purpose is hatred, pure and simple and they dress it up as many nobler pursuits, but all they are is a hate group if circle jerkers with little to no real impact and who have failed abjectly in getting anything done beyond voicing their opinion.
I do hope that this is clear for you now. I do nto see how much clearer I can make my opinion on this topic. |
There have been incidences of the AES systematically houding foreign teachers, but there is no documented proof that the AES systematically hounds foreign teachers? Whaaaaaat? You aren't making any sense anymore. |
Incidences...events...isolated cases....
You are just being obtuse on purpuse I think. |
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22980/anti-english-spectrum-cafe-interviewed-in-seoul-shinmun/
"I prepare some policy reports or pursue an illegal foreign lecturer, braving fire and water and working until past midnight. And after my office job I don�t sleep, I feel tired all over. Some of our members collapse from the exhaustion......And some of our members have quit their jobs because of the time they spent on the movement."
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2009/11/puff-piece-about-anti-english-spectrum.html
"If members discover problem foreign instructors, they use their cafe pseudonym to leave a tip for the manager or send him a note, who then tracks the teachers with others for two to three months on average."
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20091120000046\
"They have also stored information and photographs on their website of non-Koreans they have followed."
And here is my favorite
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/31/world/la-fg-korea-english31-2010jan31
"Yie waves off the criticism. "It's not stalking, it's following," he said. "There's no law against that.""
Maybe you are just as crazy as he is and you think it's just following not stalking? Have you actually read any articles about this group? I ask because most of the articles do revolve around the group relentlessly pursuing (stalking) foreigners. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Actually both parts are true max, sorry.
This was a debate / discussion. People have disagreed. I can respect that. I am not here to convert anyone on this topic...you however seem to be. |
Sorry (this seems to be a word you and steelrails use in each post - most curious), I meant no offense. We are all just simply sharing our opinions, aren't we? ^^ |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| There is nothing ridiculous about expecting a politican to denounce a racist group, especially if that politician has granted it a private audience. That is actually what politicians do. |
Not for a single member of Parliament/Congress/National Assembly. National legislatures usually have a handful of cooks, no matter what the party.
Politicians do not always denounce racist groups. Many of them are elected by racist parties. Some are bound by their constituency to support such groups, other actively seek said people.
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| I don't think it's asking to much to request the government take interest in a group of Koreans that are stalking foreign teachers here though. It doesn't make the country look good, and it's just common courtesy. Instead I just see a bunch of interviews where the leader gets to ramble on about all the bad stuff NET's bring to Korea. |
Well, he got ratings for a while, but the country moved on. The government can't muzzle him. If someone files a complaint, the government may or may not investigate.
Probably the best way to deal with this is for the individual NETs involved to contact their employer. Detail how they are being wrongfully followed, and have them contact the local police.
The scale of AES is such that their harassment should be dealt with at that level. You can't expect national politicians and governments deal with some guy following you. That's a job for your local police precinct.
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If the United States was shaped like Korea then .......
If Korea had the same demographics of the USA then....
If Korea was on mars then ....
If Mexico was an Islamic country then ....
Are we just playing some childish game with hypothetical situations here or do you want to talk about reality?
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Well, we can agree on the point that both here and back home, there are racist groups who do sometimes get involved with politicians to support an agenda targeting legal foreigners. People seem to believe that a group like AES would never get meetings back home or wouldn't be allowed to exist. That is just false.
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Actually, now that I think about it, if Korea was the USA and the USA was Korea then the USA would have a Korean president and Korea would have an interracial president. So really neither of those countries are racist. It all makes sense now. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Does anyone care to comment on the fact that AES is inactive and their leader has since left?
If their group was indeed influential and successful, wouldn't it follow that their numbers would have expanded and they would have pursued more issues.
What political group just call it a day and close up shop if they succeed? No, they expand into other issues and their leadership looks at bigger platforms to spread their message. Instead the AES has done the exact opposite, indicating that they have been unsuccessful. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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I was aware of that event thanks. It was disgusting.
Still and no offense, but this does not translate into AES hounding teachers on the streets of (insert Korean city of your choice).
AES is an ugly organization to be sure, it is in fact a band of angry bigoted scumbags. It should by all accounts be removed but sadly it exists.
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If that is not what AES does, then would you like to tell me what it is they do? Please explain their purpose, and their goal. |
What does AES do?
I does what ALL hate groups do: it hates on whatever the target of their bigotry is. In the case of that sad bunch of drooling retards, that would be foreign teachers in one way or another.
I am not debating the nature of AES. I am however, and will continue to challenge anyone who tries to make some sort of causal relation conclusion between AES and restrictions on FTs.
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Yes, you were debating the nature of AES, you said they aren't going around hounding foreign teachers in Korea. Please explain their purpose and how they aim to achieve that purpose. I thought I knew, but apparently I was wrong. If you can clear that up for me, it would be great thanks. |
I did not debate the nature of AES. I debated and still do the actual reach that sad little group has. They do not systematically hound foreign teachers, there is no documented proof of this. There have been incidences of this but nothing large scale or nation-wide.
AES is what it is: a fringe hate group whose ignorant hatred is directed at FTs but whose reach is extremely limited. Their purpose is hatred, pure and simple and they dress it up as many nobler pursuits, but all they are is a hate group if circle jerkers with little to no real impact and who have failed abjectly in getting anything done beyond voicing their opinion.
I do hope that this is clear for you now. I do nto see how much clearer I can make my opinion on this topic. |
There have been incidences of the AES systematically houding foreign teachers, but there is no documented proof that the AES systematically hounds foreign teachers? Whaaaaaat? You aren't making any sense anymore. |
Incidences...events...isolated cases....
You are just being obtuse on purpuse I think. |
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22980/anti-english-spectrum-cafe-interviewed-in-seoul-shinmun/
"I prepare some policy reports or pursue an illegal foreign lecturer, braving fire and water and working until past midnight. And after my office job I don�t sleep, I feel tired all over. Some of our members collapse from the exhaustion......And some of our members have quit their jobs because of the time they spent on the movement."
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2009/11/puff-piece-about-anti-english-spectrum.html
"If members discover problem foreign instructors, they use their cafe pseudonym to leave a tip for the manager or send him a note, who then tracks the teachers with others for two to three months on average."
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20091120000046\
"They have also stored information and photographs on their website of non-Koreans they have followed."
And here is my favorite
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/31/world/la-fg-korea-english31-2010jan31
"Yie waves off the criticism. "It's not stalking, it's following," he said. "There's no law against that.""
Maybe you are just as crazy as he is and you think it's just following not stalking? Have you actually read any articles about this group? I ask because most of the articles do revolve around the group relentlessly pursuing (stalking) foreigners. |
Yet for all this..AES is now pretty much dead in the water and inactive. A clear sign of success and vast influence 
As for you calling me crazy, thats your call but cheap insults are not exactly conducive to debate.
Also, the majority of your proof dates back 3 years or more and comes from a blog post...please never try to become a lawyer or defend anyone's case.
Here is an idea...why don"t YOU go on a mission and try to expose AES and their evil ways??? That would be fun. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
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I was aware of that event thanks. It was disgusting.
Still and no offense, but this does not translate into AES hounding teachers on the streets of (insert Korean city of your choice).
AES is an ugly organization to be sure, it is in fact a band of angry bigoted scumbags. It should by all accounts be removed but sadly it exists.
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If that is not what AES does, then would you like to tell me what it is they do? Please explain their purpose, and their goal. |
What does AES do?
I does what ALL hate groups do: it hates on whatever the target of their bigotry is. In the case of that sad bunch of drooling retards, that would be foreign teachers in one way or another.
I am not debating the nature of AES. I am however, and will continue to challenge anyone who tries to make some sort of causal relation conclusion between AES and restrictions on FTs.
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Yes, you were debating the nature of AES, you said they aren't going around hounding foreign teachers in Korea. Please explain their purpose and how they aim to achieve that purpose. I thought I knew, but apparently I was wrong. If you can clear that up for me, it would be great thanks. |
I did not debate the nature of AES. I debated and still do the actual reach that sad little group has. They do not systematically hound foreign teachers, there is no documented proof of this. There have been incidences of this but nothing large scale or nation-wide.
AES is what it is: a fringe hate group whose ignorant hatred is directed at FTs but whose reach is extremely limited. Their purpose is hatred, pure and simple and they dress it up as many nobler pursuits, but all they are is a hate group if circle jerkers with little to no real impact and who have failed abjectly in getting anything done beyond voicing their opinion.
I do hope that this is clear for you now. I do nto see how much clearer I can make my opinion on this topic. |
There have been incidences of the AES systematically houding foreign teachers, but there is no documented proof that the AES systematically hounds foreign teachers? Whaaaaaat? You aren't making any sense anymore. |
Incidences...events...isolated cases....
You are just being obtuse on purpuse I think. |
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22980/anti-english-spectrum-cafe-interviewed-in-seoul-shinmun/
"I prepare some policy reports or pursue an illegal foreign lecturer, braving fire and water and working until past midnight. And after my office job I don�t sleep, I feel tired all over. Some of our members collapse from the exhaustion......And some of our members have quit their jobs because of the time they spent on the movement."
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2009/11/puff-piece-about-anti-english-spectrum.html
"If members discover problem foreign instructors, they use their cafe pseudonym to leave a tip for the manager or send him a note, who then tracks the teachers with others for two to three months on average."
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20091120000046\
"They have also stored information and photographs on their website of non-Koreans they have followed."
And here is my favorite
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/31/world/la-fg-korea-english31-2010jan31
"Yie waves off the criticism. "It's not stalking, it's following," he said. "There's no law against that.""
Maybe you are just as crazy as he is and you think it's just following not stalking? Have you actually read any articles about this group? I ask because most of the articles do revolve around the group relentlessly pursuing (stalking) foreigners. |
Yet for all this..AES is now pretty much dead in the water and inactive. A clear sign of success and vast influence
As for you calling me crazy, thats your call but cheap insults are not exactly conducive to debate.
Also, the majority of your proof dates back 3 years or more and comes from a blog post...please never try to become a lawyer or defend anyone's case.
Here is an idea...why don"t YOU go on a mission and try to expose AES and their evil ways??? That would be fun. |
I provided proof to show that AES stalks foreigners and all you are doing is trying to change the subject. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
I was aware of that event thanks. It was disgusting.
Still and no offense, but this does not translate into AES hounding teachers on the streets of (insert Korean city of your choice).
AES is an ugly organization to be sure, it is in fact a band of angry bigoted scumbags. It should by all accounts be removed but sadly it exists.
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If that is not what AES does, then would you like to tell me what it is they do? Please explain their purpose, and their goal. |
What does AES do?
I does what ALL hate groups do: it hates on whatever the target of their bigotry is. In the case of that sad bunch of drooling retards, that would be foreign teachers in one way or another.
I am not debating the nature of AES. I am however, and will continue to challenge anyone who tries to make some sort of causal relation conclusion between AES and restrictions on FTs.
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Yes, you were debating the nature of AES, you said they aren't going around hounding foreign teachers in Korea. Please explain their purpose and how they aim to achieve that purpose. I thought I knew, but apparently I was wrong. If you can clear that up for me, it would be great thanks. |
I did not debate the nature of AES. I debated and still do the actual reach that sad little group has. They do not systematically hound foreign teachers, there is no documented proof of this. There have been incidences of this but nothing large scale or nation-wide.
AES is what it is: a fringe hate group whose ignorant hatred is directed at FTs but whose reach is extremely limited. Their purpose is hatred, pure and simple and they dress it up as many nobler pursuits, but all they are is a hate group if circle jerkers with little to no real impact and who have failed abjectly in getting anything done beyond voicing their opinion.
I do hope that this is clear for you now. I do nto see how much clearer I can make my opinion on this topic. |
There have been incidences of the AES systematically houding foreign teachers, but there is no documented proof that the AES systematically hounds foreign teachers? Whaaaaaat? You aren't making any sense anymore. |
Incidences...events...isolated cases....
You are just being obtuse on purpuse I think. |
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22980/anti-english-spectrum-cafe-interviewed-in-seoul-shinmun/
"I prepare some policy reports or pursue an illegal foreign lecturer, braving fire and water and working until past midnight. And after my office job I don�t sleep, I feel tired all over. Some of our members collapse from the exhaustion......And some of our members have quit their jobs because of the time they spent on the movement."
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2009/11/puff-piece-about-anti-english-spectrum.html
"If members discover problem foreign instructors, they use their cafe pseudonym to leave a tip for the manager or send him a note, who then tracks the teachers with others for two to three months on average."
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20091120000046\
"They have also stored information and photographs on their website of non-Koreans they have followed."
And here is my favorite
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/31/world/la-fg-korea-english31-2010jan31
"Yie waves off the criticism. "It's not stalking, it's following," he said. "There's no law against that.""
Maybe you are just as crazy as he is and you think it's just following not stalking? Have you actually read any articles about this group? I ask because most of the articles do revolve around the group relentlessly pursuing (stalking) foreigners. |
Yet for all this..AES is now pretty much dead in the water and inactive. A clear sign of success and vast influence
As for you calling me crazy, thats your call but cheap insults are not exactly conducive to debate.
Also, the majority of your proof dates back 3 years or more and comes from a blog post...please never try to become a lawyer or defend anyone's case.
Here is an idea...why don"t YOU go on a mission and try to expose AES and their evil ways??? That would be fun. |
I provided proof to show that AES stalks foreigners and all you are doing is trying to change the subject. |
The point is that AES looks like an isolated group of kooks, rather than an active, influential organization.
Their demise seems to be indicative as to how influential and well-received their group was. It's a very important point. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Yeah there are groups that are worse than the AES in the USA in my opinion. The difference is their is an outcry against them.
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I posted a link which shows that the Minutemen (who we all agree are worse than AES get approval from members of the government plus governors of U.S states.
And even so...so what? Have any of these outcries abolished these groups? AES is defunct...that's more than any of the outcries back home have done. For example the KKK was driven underground by the "outcries" yet it still exists. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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I was aware of that event thanks. It was disgusting.
Still and no offense, but this does not translate into AES hounding teachers on the streets of (insert Korean city of your choice).
AES is an ugly organization to be sure, it is in fact a band of angry bigoted scumbags. It should by all accounts be removed but sadly it exists.
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If that is not what AES does, then would you like to tell me what it is they do? Please explain their purpose, and their goal. |
What does AES do?
I does what ALL hate groups do: it hates on whatever the target of their bigotry is. In the case of that sad bunch of drooling retards, that would be foreign teachers in one way or another.
I am not debating the nature of AES. I am however, and will continue to challenge anyone who tries to make some sort of causal relation conclusion between AES and restrictions on FTs.
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Yes, you were debating the nature of AES, you said they aren't going around hounding foreign teachers in Korea. Please explain their purpose and how they aim to achieve that purpose. I thought I knew, but apparently I was wrong. If you can clear that up for me, it would be great thanks. |
I did not debate the nature of AES. I debated and still do the actual reach that sad little group has. They do not systematically hound foreign teachers, there is no documented proof of this. There have been incidences of this but nothing large scale or nation-wide.
AES is what it is: a fringe hate group whose ignorant hatred is directed at FTs but whose reach is extremely limited. Their purpose is hatred, pure and simple and they dress it up as many nobler pursuits, but all they are is a hate group if circle jerkers with little to no real impact and who have failed abjectly in getting anything done beyond voicing their opinion.
I do hope that this is clear for you now. I do nto see how much clearer I can make my opinion on this topic. |
There have been incidences of the AES systematically houding foreign teachers, but there is no documented proof that the AES systematically hounds foreign teachers? Whaaaaaat? You aren't making any sense anymore. |
Incidences...events...isolated cases....
You are just being obtuse on purpuse I think. |
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22980/anti-english-spectrum-cafe-interviewed-in-seoul-shinmun/
"I prepare some policy reports or pursue an illegal foreign lecturer, braving fire and water and working until past midnight. And after my office job I don�t sleep, I feel tired all over. Some of our members collapse from the exhaustion......And some of our members have quit their jobs because of the time they spent on the movement."
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2009/11/puff-piece-about-anti-english-spectrum.html
"If members discover problem foreign instructors, they use their cafe pseudonym to leave a tip for the manager or send him a note, who then tracks the teachers with others for two to three months on average."
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20091120000046\
"They have also stored information and photographs on their website of non-Koreans they have followed."
And here is my favorite
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/31/world/la-fg-korea-english31-2010jan31
"Yie waves off the criticism. "It's not stalking, it's following," he said. "There's no law against that.""
Maybe you are just as crazy as he is and you think it's just following not stalking? Have you actually read any articles about this group? I ask because most of the articles do revolve around the group relentlessly pursuing (stalking) foreigners. |
Yet for all this..AES is now pretty much dead in the water and inactive. A clear sign of success and vast influence
As for you calling me crazy, thats your call but cheap insults are not exactly conducive to debate.
Also, the majority of your proof dates back 3 years or more and comes from a blog post...please never try to become a lawyer or defend anyone's case.
Here is an idea...why don"t YOU go on a mission and try to expose AES and their evil ways??? That would be fun. |
I provided proof to show that AES stalks foreigners and all you are doing is trying to change the subject. |
The point is that AES looks like an isolated group of kooks, rather than an active, influential organization.
Their demise seems to be indicative as to how influential and well-received their group was. It's a very important point. |
No, it was that the AES does stalk people. Your attempt to change the subject is way too obvious right now. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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Yeah there are groups that are worse than the AES in the USA in my opinion. The difference is their is an outcry against them.
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I posted a link which shows that the Minutemen (who we all agree are worse than AES get approval from members of the government plus governors of U.S states.
And even so...so what? Have any of these outcries abolished these groups? AES is defunct...that's more than any of the outcries back home have done. For example the KKK was driven underground by the "outcries" yet it still exists. |
If you want to play this game then a find a group that is stalking foreigners that are teaching a foreign language TEMPORARILY and LEGALLY in the USA. Until then, quit with the whole minutemen thing. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
I was aware of that event thanks. It was disgusting.
Still and no offense, but this does not translate into AES hounding teachers on the streets of (insert Korean city of your choice).
AES is an ugly organization to be sure, it is in fact a band of angry bigoted scumbags. It should by all accounts be removed but sadly it exists.
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If that is not what AES does, then would you like to tell me what it is they do? Please explain their purpose, and their goal. |
What does AES do?
I does what ALL hate groups do: it hates on whatever the target of their bigotry is. In the case of that sad bunch of drooling retards, that would be foreign teachers in one way or another.
I am not debating the nature of AES. I am however, and will continue to challenge anyone who tries to make some sort of causal relation conclusion between AES and restrictions on FTs.
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Yes, you were debating the nature of AES, you said they aren't going around hounding foreign teachers in Korea. Please explain their purpose and how they aim to achieve that purpose. I thought I knew, but apparently I was wrong. If you can clear that up for me, it would be great thanks. |
I did not debate the nature of AES. I debated and still do the actual reach that sad little group has. They do not systematically hound foreign teachers, there is no documented proof of this. There have been incidences of this but nothing large scale or nation-wide.
AES is what it is: a fringe hate group whose ignorant hatred is directed at FTs but whose reach is extremely limited. Their purpose is hatred, pure and simple and they dress it up as many nobler pursuits, but all they are is a hate group if circle jerkers with little to no real impact and who have failed abjectly in getting anything done beyond voicing their opinion.
I do hope that this is clear for you now. I do nto see how much clearer I can make my opinion on this topic. |
There have been incidences of the AES systematically houding foreign teachers, but there is no documented proof that the AES systematically hounds foreign teachers? Whaaaaaat? You aren't making any sense anymore. |
Incidences...events...isolated cases....
You are just being obtuse on purpuse I think. |
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22980/anti-english-spectrum-cafe-interviewed-in-seoul-shinmun/
"I prepare some policy reports or pursue an illegal foreign lecturer, braving fire and water and working until past midnight. And after my office job I don�t sleep, I feel tired all over. Some of our members collapse from the exhaustion......And some of our members have quit their jobs because of the time they spent on the movement."
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2009/11/puff-piece-about-anti-english-spectrum.html
"If members discover problem foreign instructors, they use their cafe pseudonym to leave a tip for the manager or send him a note, who then tracks the teachers with others for two to three months on average."
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20091120000046\
"They have also stored information and photographs on their website of non-Koreans they have followed."
And here is my favorite
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/31/world/la-fg-korea-english31-2010jan31
"Yie waves off the criticism. "It's not stalking, it's following," he said. "There's no law against that.""
Maybe you are just as crazy as he is and you think it's just following not stalking? Have you actually read any articles about this group? I ask because most of the articles do revolve around the group relentlessly pursuing (stalking) foreigners. |
Yet for all this..AES is now pretty much dead in the water and inactive. A clear sign of success and vast influence
As for you calling me crazy, thats your call but cheap insults are not exactly conducive to debate.
Also, the majority of your proof dates back 3 years or more and comes from a blog post...please never try to become a lawyer or defend anyone's case.
Here is an idea...why don"t YOU go on a mission and try to expose AES and their evil ways??? That would be fun. |
I provided proof to show that AES stalks foreigners and all you are doing is trying to change the subject. |
The point is that AES looks like an isolated group of kooks, rather than an active, influential organization.
Their demise seems to be indicative as to how influential and well-received their group was. It's a very important point. |
No, it was that the AES does stalk people. Your attempt to change the subject is way too obvious right now. |
Yes, the AES at one point stalked people, using the same methods as a PI, but with a racist focus. How does that make them an influential organization? They are defunct. Making the AES out to be some boogeyman is laughable. 99% of NETs had nothing to do with them. Their group has been consigned to the ash heap of Naver cafes.
So if you want to compare the AES to groups back home, fine. I think Korea comes out rather well. |
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hiamnotcool
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I was aware of that event thanks. It was disgusting.
Still and no offense, but this does not translate into AES hounding teachers on the streets of (insert Korean city of your choice).
AES is an ugly organization to be sure, it is in fact a band of angry bigoted scumbags. It should by all accounts be removed but sadly it exists.
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If that is not what AES does, then would you like to tell me what it is they do? Please explain their purpose, and their goal. |
What does AES do?
I does what ALL hate groups do: it hates on whatever the target of their bigotry is. In the case of that sad bunch of drooling retards, that would be foreign teachers in one way or another.
I am not debating the nature of AES. I am however, and will continue to challenge anyone who tries to make some sort of causal relation conclusion between AES and restrictions on FTs.
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Yes, you were debating the nature of AES, you said they aren't going around hounding foreign teachers in Korea. Please explain their purpose and how they aim to achieve that purpose. I thought I knew, but apparently I was wrong. If you can clear that up for me, it would be great thanks. |
I did not debate the nature of AES. I debated and still do the actual reach that sad little group has. They do not systematically hound foreign teachers, there is no documented proof of this. There have been incidences of this but nothing large scale or nation-wide.
AES is what it is: a fringe hate group whose ignorant hatred is directed at FTs but whose reach is extremely limited. Their purpose is hatred, pure and simple and they dress it up as many nobler pursuits, but all they are is a hate group if circle jerkers with little to no real impact and who have failed abjectly in getting anything done beyond voicing their opinion.
I do hope that this is clear for you now. I do nto see how much clearer I can make my opinion on this topic. |
There have been incidences of the AES systematically houding foreign teachers, but there is no documented proof that the AES systematically hounds foreign teachers? Whaaaaaat? You aren't making any sense anymore. |
Incidences...events...isolated cases....
You are just being obtuse on purpuse I think. |
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22980/anti-english-spectrum-cafe-interviewed-in-seoul-shinmun/
"I prepare some policy reports or pursue an illegal foreign lecturer, braving fire and water and working until past midnight. And after my office job I don�t sleep, I feel tired all over. Some of our members collapse from the exhaustion......And some of our members have quit their jobs because of the time they spent on the movement."
http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2009/11/puff-piece-about-anti-english-spectrum.html
"If members discover problem foreign instructors, they use their cafe pseudonym to leave a tip for the manager or send him a note, who then tracks the teachers with others for two to three months on average."
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20091120000046\
"They have also stored information and photographs on their website of non-Koreans they have followed."
And here is my favorite
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/31/world/la-fg-korea-english31-2010jan31
"Yie waves off the criticism. "It's not stalking, it's following," he said. "There's no law against that.""
Maybe you are just as crazy as he is and you think it's just following not stalking? Have you actually read any articles about this group? I ask because most of the articles do revolve around the group relentlessly pursuing (stalking) foreigners. |
Yet for all this..AES is now pretty much dead in the water and inactive. A clear sign of success and vast influence
As for you calling me crazy, thats your call but cheap insults are not exactly conducive to debate.
Also, the majority of your proof dates back 3 years or more and comes from a blog post...please never try to become a lawyer or defend anyone's case.
Here is an idea...why don"t YOU go on a mission and try to expose AES and their evil ways??? That would be fun. |
I provided proof to show that AES stalks foreigners and all you are doing is trying to change the subject. |
The point is that AES looks like an isolated group of kooks, rather than an active, influential organization.
Their demise seems to be indicative as to how influential and well-received their group was. It's a very important point. |
No, it was that the AES does stalk people. Your attempt to change the subject is way too obvious right now. |
Yes, the AES at one point stalked people, using the same methods as a PI, but with a racist focus. How does that make them an influential organization? They are defunct. Making the AES out to be some boogeyman is laughable. 99% of NETs had nothing to do with them. Their group has been consigned to the ash heap of Naver cafes.
So if you want to compare the AES to groups back home, fine. I think Korea comes out rather well. |
There is no point in arguing about how influential AES is because we can't quantify that. I am just saying it is not similar to the minutemen and it does stalk NETs.
Also, of course Korea does quite well in not having hate groups....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/
Along with Japan it is the most homogenous.
The Americas are diverse.
Why? Well to give you an idea of how driven the country is to remain homogenous there was a racist group set up for the sole purpose of harassing foreigners working here on TEMPORARY LEGAL VISAS performing a job native Koreans can't do. There is no reason to have anti-foreigner hate groups in Korea, it is not anywhere close to being as diverse as the USA.
And to give you an idea of how lopsided people's expectations are, right now you are comparing a group in the USA that tries to keep ILLEGAL immigrants out to a group in Korea that stalks LEGAL immigrants. Meanwhile there is outrage in the USA among it's citizens over this group that is fighting ILLEGAL immigrants, while the group in Korea that stalks LEGAL immigrants just gets press time and meetings with politicians. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Yeah there are groups that are worse than the AES in the USA in my opinion. The difference is their is an outcry against them.
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I posted a link which shows that the Minutemen (who we all agree are worse than AES get approval from members of the government plus governors of U.S states.
And even so...so what? Have any of these outcries abolished these groups? AES is defunct...that's more than any of the outcries back home have done. For example the KKK was driven underground by the "outcries" yet it still exists. |
If you want to play this game then a find a group that is stalking foreigners that are teaching a foreign language TEMPORARILY and LEGALLY in the USA. Until then, quit with the whole minutemen thing. |
Find a group that is stalking foreigners in KOREA. And don't use AES because that organization doesn't exist anymore as people have been trying to tell you for page after page.
It's over...you can relax now the AES bogyman is dead.
The Minutemen on the other hand still do exist as do other hate groups. |
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How about those spazes over at Koreansentry. Everytime they post a blog of some esl teacher who doesn't say nice things about Korea they talk about "finding out who this is" their name, work place etc.
And in a few instances they have posted the full names of esl teachers. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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[ The politicians would do this if there was outrage, but there is NONE....why? Because the local Korean people don't care about what the AES is doing to foreigners, so there you go.
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It would be far more accurate to state "the local Korean people don't KNOW what the AES is doing to foreigners"....I'd be surprised if most knew what AES was.
Anyway here are three Korean people who HAVE heard of AES...let's see if they "don't care".
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As for charges of racism, Anti-English Spectrum`s host Naver.com, said they have received no complaints. The PR department for Korea`s biggest portal stated that even though the cafe is rather large - having 17,000 members - prior to being contacted by The Korea Herald a representative said she was unaware of the group. When asked about the "black pig" comment*, the representative stated that "in this case `black pig` is definitely a racist comment."...
...When reached for comment, the director of the AIDS Prevention Center in Daegu did not have nice things to say about Anti-English Spectrum. "I think they are highly nationalistic and they treat foreigners as our enemies. ... I do believe in freedom of speech, however, what they are sending out is highly controversial and might send out the wrong perception," said Kim Ji-young."
[Bill 3356] states that in 2007 the Itaewon AIDS clinic performed 80 percent of its tests on foreign teachers and foreign white collar workers.
Korea AIDS/HIV Prevention & Support Center statistics for that year show that the 80 percent statistic is false. Furthermore, KHAP director Yu Sung-chal told Expat Living that the clinic "moved to Seongbuk-gu in 2006, so it makes no sense to say that the Itaewon clinic sent out these statistics." |
*"black pig" was a AES term used to describe some foreigners.
So here we have 2 Koreans condemning AES's statements as racist and nationalistic and a third debunking their alleged statistics. |
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