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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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 Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:53 pm Post subject: NSA FBI seize phone records of all Verizon customers |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/5/nsa-seizes-phone-records-verizon-customers/?page=all
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The National Security Agency is collecting the telephone records of millions of U.S. customers of Verizon under a top-secret court order issued in April, according to a report Wednesday evening in the Guardian newspaper.
The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, a publication in the United Kingdom, requires Verizon on an �ongoing, daily basis� to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the U.S. and between the U.S. and other countries. |
I believe this is a serious issue for all the Americans on this board and we should pay attention to this. I'm surprised it isn't bigger news than it is. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Benjamin Franklin:
- Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.
Perhaps they should rename the NSA to the "NIA" - National Insecurity Agency?
As word of the court order broke Wednesday evening, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said in an interview that the government needs to strike a better balance between press freedom and safeguarding national secrets.
The witch hunt has begun.
McCarthyism is loose again on the North American continent (substitute "Terrorist" for "Communist").
GOP Sen. Graham says he�s �glad� NSA is collecting phone records
And just a touch of irony... Republicans are "red". Funny how that works.
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: NSA FBI seize phone records of all Verizon customers |
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| nicwr2002 wrote: |
| I'm surprised it isn't bigger news than it is. |
Do you mean in the US media? If so, you haven't been paying attention to the wider picture.
We were told that the snooping would only apply to foreign-based communications, not those that both originated and terminated in the US. What a crock that turned out to be.
Can you smell the desperation? This rusty can will be able to be kicked down the road for a while, I'd surmise, but the clock is ticking. Just wait until the end of QE is announced and watch what happens to the market bubble. Many are projecting it'll make 2008 look like a walk in the park, and there are many indicators that the US has already re-entered recession.
But hey, at least they have Syria/Iran/Hezbollah to stir up a major world war involving perhaps Russia/China and/or some other proxies to distract humanity from their crimes. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Yea, I haven't looked at much news lately about the US on the internet and what not. I heard this on GFN radio in Gwangju when they do their BBC news piece. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess we are doomed to repeat history again with the "Red Scare" and all. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| People pointed their fingers and laughed at him, they made jokes about him as well but...Jesse Ventura was right! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:23 am Post subject: |
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The witch hunt has begun.
McCarthyism is loose again on the North American continent (substitute "Terrorist" for "Communist"). |
Hasn't this been true since about 9/11 1/2? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:51 am Post subject: |
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A related but far more dangerous development:
The Right to Evade Regulation-
How corporations hijacked the First Amendment
Every time you fill a prescription at a drug store like Walgreens, the pharmacy keeps a record of the transaction, noting information such as your name, the drug, the dosage, and the issuing doctor. It�s a routine bit of bookkeeping, and for a long time it raised few eyebrows. Then a firm called IMS Health starting buying up the data. Mining pharmacy records, the company assembled profiles of hundreds of thousands of American doctors and millions of individual patients, with names and other identifying details encrypted. IMS Health turned around and sold access to those files to pharmaceutical companies, making it easier for the firms to target (and reward) the physicians most likely to prescribe expensive, brand-name drugs...
But IMS Health did not want that kind of fight. Instead, it filed separate suits against the three states that had first cracked down on its business, invoking the First Amendment. The selling of prescription records, the company asserted, is a form of free speech.
For most of U.S. history, such a claim would have been a dead letter in court. But when it comes to the First Amendment, we live in interesting times. In June 2011, the Supreme Court struck down the new data-protection laws, arguing that they discriminated against IMS Health. �The State,� wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy for the majority, �has burdened a form of protected expression. ... This the State cannot do.�
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113294/how-corporations-hijacked-first-amendment-evade-regulation
My personal business transactions are none of IMS Health's business, but now thanks to the Supreme Court, they are IMS Health's business because IMS Health is a business. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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The witch hunt has begun.
McCarthyism is loose again on the North American continent (substitute "Terrorist" for "Communist"). |
Hasn't this been true since about 9/11 1/2? |
If you're interested in when the snooping infrastructure really kicked off, especially in re to the internet, you may want to look into the Telecommunications Act of 1996 signed into law by Bill Clinton.
I'm sure the gov't was wiretapping phones at will long before then, but this Act really took the decidedly un-American invasion of Americans' privacy into the Digital Age. |
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Blockhead confidence
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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I follow China watchers on Twitter. There are rumors among them that details were leaked by China since it's on the eve of the US-China summit.
First benefit of the bipolar world order? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
I'm sure the gov't was wiretapping phones at will long before then, but this Act really took the decidedly un-American invasion of Americans' privacy into the Digital Age. |
Just how many decades of Americans living under a predatory corporatocracy are needed before "decidedly un-American" becomes "quintessentially American?" Maybe once upon a time it could be argued that this kind of thing was un-American, but now, it's business as usual in our homeland caniff, and the average person seems totally fine with it (or at least sufficiently unconcerned as to take no real interest). This is America. Maybe you could argue it's "un-Jeffersonian" or some such, but it's completely American, and I doubt that it will change in our lifetimes. The same systemic division of powers which was ostensibly meant to preserve political liberty also effectively entrenches corruption once it sets in; it would take a strong, discerning, passionate super-majority of the electorate to turn things around, and no such thing exists. It's hard to even feel especially bad about it given our citizenry, under the leadership of the most selfish generation humanity has likely ever seen, have really brought it on themselves. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, and while we're at it, Maryland v. King. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Maybe once upon a time it could be argued that this kind of thing was un-American, but now, it's business as usual in our homeland caniff, and the average person seems totally fine with it (or at least sufficiently unconcerned as to take no real interest). This is America. |
Seems you're correct:
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However, despite the outrage and facile explanations � replete with images of bad guys who participate in phantom (and FBI orchestrated) terror plots � the latest revelations concerning NSA surveillance are hardly shocking considering the agency�s checkered past.
�For almost 30 years, copies of most international telegrams originating or forwarded through the United States were turned over to the National Security Agency,� Senator Frank Church said way back in the 1970s during congressional hearings exposing Operation Shamrock and other programs.
Beginning in 1945, Operation Shamrock, and its sister program Operation Minaret, allowed the NSA�s predecessor � based in the Pentagon � to search millions of telegrams. �Intercepted messages were disseminated to the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, and the Department of Defense.� No court authorized the operation and there were no warrants, the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities reported on April 23, 1976.
It should be more than obvious now that ever increasing and technologically more sophisticated surveillance is a key feature of the national security state established under the National Security Act of 1947 reorganizing the military establishment and creating the CIA and the National Security Council. The NSA was established two years later in 1949. |
http://www.infowars.com/senators-dismiss-treasonous-nsa-attack-on-fourth-amendment/ |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| The NSA was established two years later in 1949. |
That's the same here that Orwell wrote 1984 right? |
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