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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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the young Korean international students here in ___________ love going to church (?), later I found out it's because they offer free lunches and social events for the kids.
I have heard the same thing for Korean students that have gone to Canada and the United States. |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Money? |
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They have probably caught up with Christiananity now.... "lets just build a church and "have people "clients" feel important" - while we suck the money out of them - by making them feel guilty is they do not donate heaps of money....
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Or maybe it really was the Christians dressed up as Buddhist monks and doing bad things to turn public opinion against the Buddhists. That happens to superheroes all the time. |
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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:38 am Post subject: Re: Korean Monks r trash |
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watched 2 of these Monk dummies in a Sorerento run a redlight and hit an old man riding a bicycle this past week; & they never even stopped!!!! hit & Run!!!!!!!!
I also see these guys dumping their trash in the mountain temple area near by where i climb the mountains daily!
where have all the Buddhist values gone?
i wont give them another 500w 4 sure when they look for donations on street playing a Mokta!!!!!!! |
that really sucks.
i was under the impression that these people were a lot different.
i have met two monks in the past month. both spoke good English and they were really nice to me. one monk invited me into his temple area and we shared some green tea. the guy was really cool and smart. when i was leaving he gave me this meditation necklace that he had made.  |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| KoreanLifer wrote: |
watched 2 of these Monk dummies in a Sorerento run a redlight and hit an old man riding a bicycle this past week; & they never even stopped!!!! hit & Run!!!!!!!!
I also see these guys dumping their trash in the mountain temple area near by where i climb the mountains daily!
where have all the Buddhist values gone? |
As others on the board here have insuated, the donning of holy/priestly/monk robes ( whatever named religion ) does not necessarily mean we are any more Godly/Enlightened or what have you.
From what i understand, a significant number of suuneem here in Korea are in fact on the run from the mafia etc, & thereby seek to take up permanent refuge behind the hallowed walls of a monastery.
Key to the teachings is that they work on staying on the path. While the head abbots should be found ultimately responsible for their monks ( whether gambling, stealing, lying, whoring, polluting or getting wasted & making a pathetic, public scene ) as with all of us, everyone from time to time messes up & make bad calls.
In the more extreme, ignorant & habitual cases of religious hypocrisy, we find ppl who are everday all too ironically, often confused contradictions of their supposed teachers & spiritual heroes.
Kinda makes me wonder what the Buddha would say. |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Teheranno
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| I think it's kind of silly (not to mention inappropriate) to presume all Buddhist monks are "trash" because you think you saw a monk leaving the scene of a car accident. Dude, get a grip! |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsyfish wrote: |
Remember a few years ago when the Chogye sect was fighting with the other sect(don't remember their name)? They were tossing fire bombs at, and knocking, each other off of three story scaffolds because they didn't want to give up the cash cow of leadership of the temple. No matter how good something looks on paper (Buddhism, Islam, Christianity. Communism, Capitalism, or Socialism), when people get ahold of it, they're going to mess it up.  |
I think it was 2 rival factions within Chogye, each backing a different contender for leadership. Video of the riot police using a shaky moving truck- the one with the flimsy elevator arms- to try to penetrate the Chogye HQ building, and then falling six stories, made world news. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't judge the medicine by those who don't take it. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| Don't judge the medicine by those who don't take it. |
What the heck is that supposed to mean?
I can think of a few ways this could be taken- could you clarify? |
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Dan
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Sunny Glendale, CA
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| BTW, is it just me or are there more Korean nuns than practically every other country? |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| Don't judge the medicine by those who don't take it. |
What the heck is that supposed to mean?
I can think of a few ways this could be taken- could you clarify? |
It means don't judge the religion by those who wear the robes and cause accidents or litter, or molest children...etc. These people are not following the teachings of the religion, but the public tends to assume they are representing the religion, and hence, see only the negative aspects. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Dan wrote: |
| BTW, is it just me or are there more Korean nuns than practically every other country? |
Do you mean Buddhist nuns or nuns in general? Every been to Italy? |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Dan wrote: |
| BTW, is it just me or are there more Korean nuns than practically every other country? |
Do you mean Buddhist nuns or nuns in general? Every been to Italy? |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| Don't judge the medicine by those who don't take it. |
What the heck is that supposed to mean?
I can think of a few ways this could be taken- could you clarify? |
It means don't judge the religion by those who wear the robes and cause accidents or litter, or molest children...etc. These people are not following the teachings of the religion, but the public tends to assume they are representing the religion, and hence, see only the negative aspects. |
I've heard people describe Communism in a similar fashion.
Any organized religion needs to be viewed as a whole; I don't buy the "please only look at the good stuff" sort of arguments. It seems to me that each particular religion is responsible for its own houskeeping, and Buddhism in Korea (among many others) could use a good sweep. |
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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There is a fundamental flaw in all man-made religions.
Those who make vows of celibacy and leading a moral life often find an even greater resisitance to this lifestyle because the mind can't handle the suppression of its natural tendencies. Unfortunately, this suppression if contained for a long time will result in a downward spiral reaction to it. Not all, but many will 'fail'. Why? Because in order to truly be free of all desires, the mind has to be attached to something greater and more beautiful than external desires. This is the only way. And the only way to be attached to something greater is through a pure method of meditation. It is unfortunate that so many people don clothing and make certain vows to the external world, but it is within that really counts.
But, we shouldn't judge those who are trying. The more one fights the mind the easier it is to fall, so one can only look to one's own weaknesses. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| blake wrote: |
There is a fundamental flaw in all man-made religions.
Those who make vows of celibacy and leading a moral life often find an even greater resisitance to this lifestyle because the mind can't handle the suppression of its natural tendencies. Unfortunately, this suppression if contained for a long time will result in a downward spiral reaction to it. Not all, but many will 'fail'. Why? Because in order to truly be free of all desires, the mind has to be attached to something greater and more beautiful than external desires. This is the only way. And the only way to be attached to something greater is through a pure method of meditation. It is unfortunate that so many people don clothing and make certain vows to the external world, but it is within that really counts.
But, we shouldn't judge those who are trying. The more one fights the mind the easier it is to fall, so one can only look to one's own weaknesses. |
This argument does not hold up because those who take the vow of celibacy, at least Catholics, do not consider their religion to be man-made. |
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