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Canadian1987
Joined: 22 Jun 2013
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:57 pm Post subject: What happened to Korea??? |
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So at around 2010, a few friends and several acquaintances came back home to Canada from a year's teaching in Korea. They had nothing but raving reviews and many stories to tell--all of which seemed to be on the positive side.
I had just finished up my 2nd year of practicum and there were virtually no teaching jobs around my home. My friends were like, "dude, you should really teach in Korea--with your teaching experience and everything, you'd be at a huge advantage. None of us has taught before and it was a breeze for ya!"
In addition to this, I had made twenty some Korean friends, some of which I had tutored back home. We partied, bonded, and they taught me some Korean.
I felt like Korea would be a good fit for me...I was dead wrong.
When I arrived in Daegu to work for a terrible school called Poly, the school made several revisions to my contract, which included more hours, reduced pay, and a messed up severance.
After two days of working and no rest due to jet lag, the supervisor screamed at me with all the negative feedback she had received from the parents. It was only TWO DAYS!!
Everyday they would tell me what a horrible teacher I was and how lazy foreigners were. After one and a half months, they decided to terminate my contract and leave me out to dry.
I asked them how I would get to Incheon airport or Seoul and their exact words were "you'll figure it out."
It's also worth mentioning that, up until that point, I had not been paid at all. So for a month and half's work, I had not received a single penny from them.
I was fortunate enough to land a job in Seoul and move all my luggage from Daegu by myself.
Over the past few months I had to get my new school to talk to the Labour Board to get my money. I was lucky enough to get some of it back--still, it was short by a couple hundred bucks.
The new school I work for is substantially better, but they seem to retain some anti-western sentiments and continuously add more workload to the English teachers and then blame us when things go wrong.
Did something happen after 2010?? Why is my experience the complete opposite from my friends? |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Since things were apparently fine until you came along, I can only conclude that you happened to Korea. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: What happened to Korea??? |
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Canadian1987 wrote: |
I felt like Korea would be a good fit for me...I was dead wrong.
When I arrived in Daegu to work for a terrible school called Poly, the school made several revisions to my contract, which included more hours, reduced pay, and a messed up severance.
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Well Korea does not equal one (or two schools).
Your experience is mostly different because you were unlucky enough to land jobs at two bad schools. Your friends were either (a) luckier or (b) embellishing their experiences somewhat.
That said yes things have gotten tougher over here. More and more people are coming over to teach and many private schools are upping the requirements (both in terms of paperwork and performance) while public schools seem to be upping the ante (in terms of paperwork at least) even more every year.
As for the criticism directed at the FTs at your school...I wouldn't take much notice of it. Standard hakwon management procedures. Just do the best you can. As for the rest...SNIP and go about your day. |
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plan b
Joined: 29 Jan 2013
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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You had some awful luck with the first hagwon, but it sounds like you landed on your feet. Kudos to you for hanging in there. As for the anti-westerner sentiments, well Koreans love western culture..but seem to despise westerners in general |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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plan b wrote: |
You had some awful luck with the first hagwon, but it sounds like you landed on your feet. Kudos to you for hanging in there. As for the anti-westerner sentiments, well Koreans love western culture..but seem to despise westerners in general |
Um... no. You're welcome to speak from your own experiences, but "despising westerners in general" would not be how'd I'd describe the majority of my interactions here.
OP, nothing happened. You had a crappy school. There's always been crappy schools here. Nothing new. Nothing changed. |
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War Eagle
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Just after 2010 there was a huge change in Hagwon association policy backed by the Korean government due to some unruly weigookin behavior. Most of the changes were aimed at making it more difficult for foreigners coming to and working in Korea. Working hours became extremely long, workloads became unreasonable and wages started to drop. Foreigners were pulling midnight runs left and right, leaving their coworkers to the wolves to pick up the extra work.
Foreigners protested in the streets and at the Capitol, while media coverage continued to portray us as bottom feeding scavengers who destroy the city, rape the women and torture the kids. A few riots broke out, but the riot police quickly tear gassed the masses and continued to beat those who wouldn't succumb.
Since then, things around the country have been very, very different. And to think, that whole crazy chain of events was started back in 2010 by a few Canadian guys and their acquaintances. I can't believe it's been 3 years already.
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Airborne9
Joined: 01 Jun 2010
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
plan b wrote: |
You had some awful luck with the first hagwon, but it sounds like you landed on your feet. Kudos to you for hanging in there. As for the anti-westerner sentiments, well Koreans love western culture..but seem to despise westerners in general |
Um... no. You're welcome to speak from your own experiences, but "despising westerners in general" would not be how'd I'd describe the majority of my interactions here.
OP, nothing happened. You had a crappy school. There's always been crappy schools here. Nothing new. Nothing changed. |
Nail + Head.
OP With all "your experience" and apparent qualifications why are you messing about in hogwons in Daegu in the first place? how would that count as experience in any qualification?
Im not trying to have a go at you or anything im just curious. |
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Canadian1987
Joined: 22 Jun 2013
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Nail + Head.
OP With all "your experience" and apparent qualifications why are you messing about in hogwons in Daegu in the first place? how would that count as experience in any qualification?
Im not trying to have a go at you or anything im just curious |
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Maybe you didn't read my post, but I mentioned that I had roughly a dozen friends who had all taught at roughly a dozen Hagwons back in 2010 and they were not even remotely *&#$ over. How is that even statistically possible??
A lot of the teachers I meet NOW seem to have had similar experiences and the veterans have implied that there was a substantial change sometime after 2010.
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Canadian1987
Joined: 22 Jun 2013
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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OP With all "your experience" and apparent qualifications why are you messing about in hogwons in Daegu in the first place? how would that count as experience in any qualification?
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By "experience" I am referring to my experience in teaching classes, such as Calculus AP, Biology 40s, Math 10S, and Science 20S. True it does not qualify as experience in light of ESL, but it's much more teaching experience than any of my friends (they are all sociology majors, btw)
Im not trying to have a go at you or anything im just curious.[/quote][/quote] |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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War Eagle wrote: |
Just after 2010 there was a huge change in Hagwon association policy backed by the Korean government due to some unruly weigookin behavior. Most of the changes were aimed at making it more difficult for foreigners coming to and working in Korea. Working hours became extremely long, workloads became unreasonable and wages started to drop. Foreigners were pulling midnight runs left and right, leaving their coworkers to the wolves to pick up the extra work.
Foreigners protested in the streets and at the Capitol, while media coverage continued to portray us as bottom feeding scavengers who destroy the city, rape the women and torture the kids. A few riots broke out, but the riot police quickly tear gassed the masses and continued to beat those who wouldn't succumb.
Since then, things around the country have been very, very different. And to think, that whole crazy chain of events was started back in 2010 by a few Canadian guys and their acquaintances. I can't believe it's been 3 years already. |
Ha ha. Good one. By this time, the Korean powers that be realized they didn't have to suck up to us anymore because of a little thing called "recession". The Koreans who liked us kept being nice and those who didn't started hiding things less because we became more replaceable. Sucks you had a bad experience. Some Adjussis are great at phycological warfare and belittling your self respect. It's how they remain in control, an all powerful bully, and feel like a big man. Hits you hard when you're new here because you're not ready or really prepared to deal with it. Once you're here for a while, you tell em to go eff themselves and to give you a letter of release and move on. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: What happened to Korea??? |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Canadian1987 wrote: |
I felt like Korea would be a good fit for me...I was dead wrong.
When I arrived in Daegu to work for a terrible school called Poly, the school made several revisions to my contract, which included more hours, reduced pay, and a messed up severance.
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Well Korea does not equal one (or two schools).
Your experience is mostly different because you were unlucky enough to land jobs at two bad schools. Your friends were either (a) luckier or (b) embellishing their experiences somewhat.
That said yes things have gotten tougher over here. More and more people are coming over to teach and many private schools are upping the requirements (both in terms of paperwork and performance) while public schools seem to be upping the ante (in terms of paperwork at least) even more every year.
As for the criticism directed at the FTs at your school...I wouldn't take much notice of it. Standard hakwon management procedures. Just do the best you can. As for the rest...SNIP and go about your day. |
What kinds of things are being increased in public school? |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Canadian1987 wrote: |
Maybe you didn't read my post, but I mentioned that I had roughly a dozen friends who had all taught at roughly a dozen Hagwons back in 2010 and they were not even remotely *&#$ over. How is that even statistically possible??
A lot of the teachers I meet NOW seem to have had similar experiences and the veterans have implied that there was a substantial change sometime after 2010. |
it's called anecdotal evidence. It's funny in that it can flow both ways.
I've been here since the start of 2002 - and even then there were people being jacked by their hogwons. Now, one could argue it's gotten better or worse over the years, but it's away been a factor.
Nothing new in what you've experienced. |
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Canadian1987
Joined: 22 Jun 2013
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Over the past few months I have been doing more research (as I should've done before coming here) and it seems to me that, while the public school pays slightly less, it seems to be the safer bet.
There seems to be a ton of "Hagwon Horror Stories," but relatively few stories about public schools screwing teachers over. |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Canadian1987 wrote: |
Over the past few months I have been doing more research (as I should've done before coming here) and it seems to me that, while the public school pays slightly less, it seems to be the safer bet.
There seems to be a ton of "Hagwon Horror Stories," but relatively few stories about public schools screwing teachers over. |
You have been unlucky bud, I think a lot of teachers who come here are sometimes unlucky with their work situations - I know I was twice but then I have friends who lucked out. There is no fireproof way to insure yourself against this. Best thing to do is now you are on the ground is scour the place for the better jobs and apply for the next contract, if you have the looks and the qualifications along with your youth, you should be fine.
I think PS is the best bet for working in Korea, though my PS was crap - it was ten times better than the hagwon I worked at. |
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Canadian1987
Joined: 22 Jun 2013
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Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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You have been unlucky bud, I think a lot of teachers who come here are sometimes unlucky with their work situations - I know I was twice but then I have friends who lucked out. There is no fireproof way to insure yourself against this. Best thing to do is now you are on the ground is scour the place for the better jobs and apply for the next contract, if you have the looks and the qualifications along with your youth, you should be fine.
I think PS is the best bet for working in Korea, though my PS was crap - it was ten times better than the hagwon I worked at. |
Definitely! I'm sure there are good Hagwons out there, but I plan on staying here longer, it will surely be with a public school instead. |
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