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Koharski
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Ok, back to the topic of Uni hiring requirements. You can start yet another DELTA vs MEd thread if you wish to continue the "educational trial I chose is better than the one you did" discussion.
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Swampfox10mm
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Koharski wrote: |
Ok, back to the topic of Uni hiring requirements. You can start yet another DELTA vs MEd thread if you wish to continue the "educational trial I chose is better than the one you did" discussion.
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I AGREE.
Gosh, this thread specifically was about schools requiring a BA+4 yrs experience, or MA +2 yrs experience for a university job. As the OP of this thread, I can categorically tell you that,although they may help improve your teaching, neither a CELTA nor a DELTA will help AT ALL in terms of fulfilling ANY of these new government requirements for a university job in Korea.
Here is some interesting food for thought.... our boss was very disappointed by this new rule. Any guesses as to why? |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| Koharski wrote: |
Ok, back to the topic of Uni hiring requirements. You can start yet another DELTA vs MEd thread if you wish to continue the "educational trial I chose is better than the one you did" discussion.
Koharski |
I AGREE.
Gosh, this thread specifically was about schools requiring a BA+4 yrs experience, or MA +2 yrs experience for a university job. As the OP of this thread, I can categorically tell you that,although they may help improve your teaching, neither a CELTA nor a DELTA will help AT ALL in terms of fulfilling ANY of these new government requirements for a university job in Korea.
Here is some interesting food for thought.... our boss was very disappointed by this new rule. Any guesses as to why? |
If it is true and these new regulations don't change in 2 months like they often do: attrition will make it impossible for universities to hire foreign English teachers for what they pay them now. Remember, some schools see the foreign English staff as a cheap source of MAs and PhDs that raise their national ranking. |
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Swampfox10mm
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:32 am Post subject: |
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No, we received a ton of resumes from people in China, and some here with that experience already. Korea is no longer alone.
Tons of people out there with experience. But schools may indeed have to begin hiring from afar. And a great many teachers will simply shuffle from school to school after reaching term limits. BUT many schools are also slated to be closed. Happened to a friend at Luther University last year. Those teachers have to go somewhere. |
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tob55
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Here is some interesting food for thought.... our boss was very disappointed by this new rule. Any guesses as to why? |
My guess is as it was mentioned earlier that it is probably a situation affecting your University right now. I work for a National University and we have heard nothing regarding the hiring practices of foreign instructors to teach, or minimum requirements, and I am on the hiring committee. It is coming, but again, as it was mentioned that is probably a few years down the line before Korean Higher Education "catches up" so to speak regarding the specific requirements for hiring employees to teach.
I am more inclined IMO to believe the logic of hiring highly qualified Masters and PhD level people for the purpose of increasing their research funding from the government. I do a significant amount of research at my University that is nice to do, but the co-authoring professors who tie in with me seldom do anything other than read my research, add a paragraph or two, then send it on for journal approval, thereby getting credit for the requirement to publish at least once every 12 weeks as a tentured professor.
Change is coming for sure.  |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
No, we received a ton of resumes from people in China, and some here with that experience already. Korea is no longer alone.
Tons of people out there with experience. But schools may indeed have to begin hiring from afar. And a great many teachers will simply shuffle from school to school after reaching term limits. BUT many schools are also slated to be closed. Happened to a friend at Luther University last year. Those teachers have to go somewhere. |
Maybe, but I don't see that happening where I work. They haven't had a lot of luck hiring people straight from China. The last one was a pretty dodgy character who constantly screwed up. Since then, they insist on hiring from within the country. |
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sirius black
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Schools may or may not fill the positions and we can all speculate on whether that will be so but as it stands, the rules are stated. Either get qualified or rule out teaching at a uni. If schools are not getting teachers, who knows how long it will take before they change the rules again.
Second, a Masters is a good thing to have no matter what. Even if you go back home. Bachelors are a dime a dozen. Employers give a bit more attenton to a Master's degree even if its in an unrelated field. I have friends with Master's and have gotten interviews and jobs in all manner of fields.
I know of a few unis who have flown in people from America. So, the unis may be going the route of hogwons and public schools. In the past they always said you had to be in the country already to interview. Now some are doing skype interviews. So, they may be able to fill the positions and the amount of fundng they are getting from the government seems to make it worthwhile. The plane ticket is less than one months wages so I don't see it as a huge expense for the unis considering the amount of money they stand to gain/lose for not having qualified people.
Finally, the rules are the rules. I personally look at the rules, see what I qualify for and then go for the ones I qualify for. A lot of people bitch an moan about what it takes to have such and such jobs. It is what it is. Korea, America, everywhere, Get qualified or get the best you can for the skillset and education and training you have. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| Either get qualified or rule out teaching at a uni. |
So what if someone has a related M.A. but doesn't have two years of uni teaching experience yet? S.O.L.? You think that's fair? You think the person who lucked out by being in Korea when university jobs were much easier to get into and has been working at one for the past four years with an unrelated B.A. is more worthy of the job? How can the person with the related M.A. "get qualified"? By getting a Ph.D.? Is that what it's come to now? |
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Malislamusrex
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If you've got no experience and just an MA, it's probably better to go with a guy who has experience and a BA. But if that guy with an MA has relevant professional experience... that changes things a lot.
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| sirius black wrote: |
| Either get qualified or rule out teaching at a uni. |
So what if someone has a related M.A. but doesn't have two years of uni teaching experience yet? S.O.L.? You think that's fair? You think the person who lucked out by being in Korea when university jobs were much easier to get into and has been working at one for the past four years with an unrelated B.A. is more worthy of the job? How can the person with the related M.A. "get qualified"? By getting a Ph.D.? Is that what it's come to now? |
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transmogrifier
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| You think the person who lucked out by being in Korea when university jobs were much easier to get into and has been working at one for the past four years with an unrelated B.A. is more worthy of the job? |
Who's to say they aren't? |
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robbie_davies
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
| Either get qualified or rule out teaching at a uni. |
So what if someone has a related M.A. but doesn't have two years of uni teaching experience yet? S.O.L.? You think that's fair? You think the person who lucked out by being in Korea when university jobs were much easier to get into and has been working at one for the past four years with an unrelated B.A. is more worthy of the job? How can the person with the related M.A. "get qualified"? By getting a Ph.D.? Is that what it's come to now? |
What has it got to do with fair?
Go and get the experience then! Go to Saudi - related MA will get you a job earning 57000 tax free - don't want to go to Saudi? Go and cry a river somewhere else diddums or suck it up and get it done buttercup!
Or do you think MA plus experience is an unreasonable request?
The only reason BA holders are in the running anyway is because Korean universities have been too damn cheap in the past to hire qualified people - good to see the government making the universities hold up to a minimum standard.
You don't see BA holders teaching anything at any university back home. |
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liveinkorea316
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Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
| Either get qualified or rule out teaching at a uni. |
So what if someone has a related M.A. but doesn't have two years of uni teaching experience yet? S.O.L.? You think that's fair? You think the person who lucked out by being in Korea when university jobs were much easier to get into and has been working at one for the past four years with an unrelated B.A. is more worthy of the job? How can the person with the related M.A. "get qualified"? By getting a Ph.D.? Is that what it's come to now? |
Actually people who study a Master of Applied Linguistics or TESOL almost certainly have experience when they graduate. Since many programs have a prerequisite of 1 or 2 years experience before you can study the Master and while they study most students work part time at language schools. |
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I'm With You
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| You don't see BA holders teaching anything at any university back home. |
You won't see it in Taiwan. You won't see it in Japan, either. Korea has been one of these weird places where B.A. holders can come over and get university-like teaching conditions.
I look forward to when the MoE in Korea follows what the Taiwan MoE has done and makes it illegal for universities to hire teachers who only hold B.A. degrees. Also, I'd like to see the MoE here follow Taiwan in refusing to recognize distance M.A. degrees, therefore, making it illegal for universities to hire those foreigner EFL teachers who hold online M.A. degrees.
This is why the market is saturated, in part. The standards here are just too low or non-existent. I'd venture to say that Korea has now surpassed even Japan in market saturation for EFL teachers and has, thus, become even more competitive than Japan. |
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big_fella1
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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You don't see BA holders teaching anything at any university back home. |
What piffle. I don't know what faculty you studied in but I'm yet to meet a first year statistics tutor with anything higher although many are postgrad students.
As for the OP this seems to be like everything in Korea.
It depends which MOE you're covered by and who you talk to. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
| robbie_davies wrote: |
| You don't see BA holders teaching anything at any university back home. |
You won't see it in Taiwan. You won't see it in Japan, either. Korea has been one of these weird places where B.A. holders can come over and get university-like teaching conditions.
I look forward to when the MoE in Korea follows what the Taiwan MoE has done and makes it illegal for universities to hire teachers who only hold B.A. degrees. Also, I'd like to see the MoE here follow Taiwan in refusing to recognize distance M.A. degrees, therefore, making it illegal for universities to hire those foreigner EFL teachers who hold online M.A. degrees.
This is why the market is saturated, in part. The standards here are just too low or non-existent. I'd venture to say that Korea has now surpassed even Japan in market saturation for EFL teachers and has, thus, become even more competitive than Japan. |
Whatever. A distance learning degree earned from a top-tier university is more academically demanding that studies conducted on-campus at a lower tier school. |
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