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Seoulman69
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| Tragic. My sympathy is with the family of the two girls who died. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Seoulman69 wrote: |
| Tragic. My sympathy is with the family of the two girls who died. |
my thoughts too. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| It seems like the Korean airlines seem to segregate waygooks to the back of the plane anyway. |
Well, that's where all the cheap seats are... |
I chose my seats when I booked my flights. So, I can't complain too much. Went for window seats above all else. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| EZE wrote: |
| It seems like the Korean airlines seem to segregate waygooks to the back of the plane anyway. |
Well, that's where all the cheap seats are... |
I chose my seats when I booked my flights. So, I can't complain too much. Went for window seats above all else. |
Ew, aisle seats all the way.... |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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My money is on pilot error. I've watched enough Air Crash Investigation to know that it's almost always pilot error, sometimes in conjunction with a minor technical issue, sometimes not.
Like that the plane that disappeared between Brazil and France; a pitot tube froze over so the airspeed indicator didn't work properly. There are standard engine and nose settings you should use when that happens while you wait for the tube to unblock. However, the co-pilot decided to try and climb, even though the plane was right at its altitude limit already. Consequently, the thin air was unable to provide lift, so the plane started to slow down and drop, finally entering a stall.
When a plane enters a stall, you need to lower the nose and dive to pick up speed, and then you can level out and climb again. But this co-pilot apparently forgets all of this, and continues to pull back and lift the nose of the plane, which cuts the speed more and more. Finally the captain, who had been on a scheduled rest break is summoned, and he doesn't know what is going on (it should be noted that the airspeed indicator has come back on at this time, so they have a perfectly functional plane), and the two co-pilots seem confused - EVEN THOUGH ONE OF THEM IS DIRECTLY CAUSING THE PROBLEM. Finally the captain says something like "We need to pick up speed" and the co-pilot answers "But I've been trying to lift the whole time". The captain finally realises what is going on....and a few seconds later the plane and 200 odd people bellyflop into the ocean
So I'd be surprised if it is anything other than a pilot screwing up because the glide slope wasn't functioning. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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NTSB is making it sound like it was pilot error. Plane's speed was significantly lower than it should have been. If it was due to an engine problem, not sure why the pilots wouldn't have notified ATC earlier... Asiana has also said it wasn't engine problems that was the cause.
SF Chronicle article |
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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| metalhead wrote: |
| Always sad and disappointing reading blogs and other forums and seeing people say they wished a lot of Koreans died during the crash. Some really sick and heartless people out there. |
I think you are making this up. Certainly no one on this forum has made such an outrageous statement. Have such opinions appeared on other forums / blogs? Again, I highly doubt it. If they have please tell us the names of these blogs and where we can find such statements. Until then I have to conclude that these posts only exist in your imagination. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Some of my university students took that exact flight a week earlier. I imagine they are feeling quite fortunate right now. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
When a plane enters a stall, you need to lower the nose and dive to pick up speed, and then you can level out and climb again.
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This is true in every case except landings. In that case you need to increase power to the throttle. You might not have hte altititude to regain airspeed through pitching the nose down. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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When a plane enters a stall, you need to lower the nose and dive to pick up speed, and then you can level out and climb again.
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This is true in every case except landings. In that case you need to increase power to the throttle. You might not have hte altititude to regain airspeed through pitching the nose down. |
Well, yeah, but the Air France plane was something like 30,000 feet above the ocean when the stall started. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Pilot was in training
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| (Reuters) - Asiana Airlines Inc said the pilot in charge of landing the Boeing 777 that crash-landed at San Francisco's airport on Saturday was training for the long-range plane and that it was his first flight to the airport with the jet. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Two Chinese girls in their teens, born in 1996 and 1997 are the two confirmed casualties..
Plenty more are in a serious condition.
There were double the amount of Chinese (141-77) than Korean passengers on board due to it being the best value route for Chinese people to go to the USA.. ( via incheon)
Asiana has said there were no mechanical problems-- perhaps pointing to pilot error but all 4 pilots on board were very experienced..
Asiana deserves big credit for evacuating the plane in double quick time as a raging fire began soon enough after the plane came to a halt.
Time will tell exactly what happened.
A true horror!
It's been said n reported that the front of a plane is often safer. In this case the tail was cut off on first impact on the ground.. The two girls bodies were found outside the plane. |
every thing i've ever read says the front of the plane is the most dangerous place to be sitting.
if you ever research plane crashes you will often find the highest rate of survival to be in the rear of the plane. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I've always assumed the rear of the plane is the safest, though that is a very relative term. The position above the wings would be the most structurally sound, you would assume, but the position of the fuel tanks makes that position most susceptible to fire, which is the problem for most survivable crashes.
Of course as this case shows, there are no guarantees. |
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saram_
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| She fell out of a plane then got rolled over by a rescue truck? That's a hell of a way to go out, damn... |
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