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Kiwigoddess
Joined: 07 Feb 2013
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 Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:29 am Post subject: ARC required to enter bars? |
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| I was just informed that for many bars we are required to present our ARC cards, is that correct? It seems rather bizarre to me. I have heard of "Korean only" bars not allowing foreigners in but bars only permissible if you show your ARC? Really? |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:45 am Post subject: Re: ARC required to enter bars? |
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| Kiwigoddess wrote: |
| I was just informed that for many bars we are required to present our ARC cards, is that correct? It seems rather bizarre to me. I have heard of "Korean only" bars not allowing foreigners in but bars only permissible if you show your ARC? Really? |
Legally you are required to carry your ARC (or passport) at all times.
Most often most bars do not care or check my ID. Maybe a few bars might want to prevent younger people (places with high expat families) from getting in or want to avoid allowing GIs in either due to curfew or other.
Another reason maybe to have ARC at bar is in some places in Korea, the American MPs want to check for military people out past curfew. Generally they see ARC, they glance and then ignore.
There might be a few bars who might not want to have foreigners in but in most cases I think they might not need the ARC to see if I am foreign.
Also be a little careful in showing your ARC. Some places might be using it to scam details. ARC numbers can be a little useful. Consider a sticker over your ARC number. All they really need at the most your birthday. |
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Kiwigoddess
Joined: 07 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks Skippy, I had to laugh at your comment about not needing any ID to know you are foreign, I can definitely relate to that one LOL. I figured it was pretty much for reasons of age in which case ARC isn't the only form of ID. Thanks for the tip about having others obtain information off our documents, I hadn't thought of that. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:46 am Post subject: Re: ARC required to enter bars? |
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| Skippy wrote: |
| Legally you are required to carry your ARC (or passport) at all times. |
Yep. And a freaking bouncer at a bar isn't a law enforcement officer.
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Most often most bars do not care or check my ID. Maybe a few bars might want to prevent younger people (places with high expat families) from getting in or want to avoid allowing GIs in either due to curfew or other.
Another reason maybe to have ARC at bar is in some places in Korea, the American MPs want to check for military people out past curfew. Generally they see ARC, they glance and then ignore.
There might be a few bars who might not want to have foreigners in but in most cases I think they might not need the ARC to see if I am foreign. |
The MPs have exactly zero authority to demand I, or just about anyone else, present any identification to them.
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| Also be a little careful in showing your ARC. Some places might be using it to scam details. ARC numbers can be a little useful. Consider a sticker over your ARC number. All they really need at the most your birthday. |
All they need is nothing. |
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Kiwigoddess
Joined: 07 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali thats exactly what I was thinking as far as the MP goes. I am not answerable to them and would tell them to get bent. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:38 am Post subject: |
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It's hard to tell without more context (which bars? which area?) - but another factor is that Korea has some "special tourist zones" (I forget the exact description) where, because of this status, the bar owners can purchase alcohol tax free. Because it is a "tourist zone" and tax-free, only non-citizens can drink in the bars.
It was like that in some of the bar areas around US bases years ago (A-Town in Gunsan is an example) - I don't if the practice is still widespread or even if it is still in effect.
Casinos are similar. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
It's hard to tell without more context (which bars? which area?) - but another factor is that Korea has some "special tourist zones" (I forget the exact description) where, because of this status, the bar owners can purchase alcohol tax free. Because it is a "tourist zone" and tax-free, only non-citizens can drink in the bars.
It was like that in some of the bar areas around US bases years ago (A-Town in Gunsan is an example) - I don't if the practice is still widespread or even if it is still in effect.
Casinos are similar. |
That I understand, like the same with casinos.
Well CentralCali have you ever told a MP to go away when they asked for ID? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
| Well CentralCali have you ever told a MP to go away when they asked for ID? |
As a matter of fact, yes, I have. And, as a retired US servicemember, I'm quite familiar with what the MP's authority over me happens to be. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Kiwigoddess wrote: |
| CentralCali thats exactly what I was thinking as far as the MP goes. I am not answerable to them and would tell them to get bent. |
of course you are not answerable to them..and they don't demand to see your ID either..they ask for it...
if you're a bonehead who thinks...I don't have to show them squat diddy poo and tell them to screw off...then you have just invited a minor inconvenience for yourself...because they will detain you until a korean cop shows up and then of course you will show your ID.
And then if you choose to fight them while they detain you...you won't win.
The korean cops WILL side with the MP's...
the MP's have no idea if you are non military related or not. You could look like a bum and have a spouse who is active duty...they just want to verify if you are affiliated with USFK or not.
Same thing in the states....MP's/Shore Patrol work the off base areas as well and ask for ID.
Big difference is...you don't show your ID...you have really jammed yourself up cause the local cops will of course side with the MP's and run your name, etc...search you, your car..whatever... here in korea...the cops won't run a background check for failing to show your ID to them or getting sassy with them. Get sassy with the man in the states...and you loose. I think it's the same in many other English speaking countries also...get sassy with the man...and....
for me..it's just easy to show my ARC card and be on my way! Takes all of 10 seconds...if that. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I could never understand the a$$hats who have to make point of making like difficult for the MPs based on "rights" issues.
The MPs can't often tell who is USFK and who is not. Canadians have the same accent as Americans, for example.
The guy is just trying to do his job so he can eliminate you as a possible curfew violator and not have to waste his time with you.
Some USFK have been known to lie and tell the MPs they are English Teachers. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddycakes wrote: |
| Canadians have the same accent as Americans, for example. |
This is completely false. Not even all Americans have the same accent.
Never been asked for my ARC to enter a bar and I usually just provide my drivers licence when I'm asked for ID. |
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salutbonjour
Joined: 22 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
| Paddycakes wrote: |
| Canadians have the same accent as Americans, for example. |
This is completely false. Not even all Americans have the same accent.
Never been asked for my ARC to enter a bar and I usually just provide my drivers licence when I'm asked for ID. |
The point is that they could be mistaken for an American. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Working the bars in Canada, I rarely accepted foreign IDs. Passports, yup. But foreign drivers and such... not usually. It was a judgement call, but I preferred something in English/local. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I meant my Korean drivers licence. Koreans use it as ID and so do I especially with banks. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
| I meant my Korean drivers licence. Koreans use it as ID and so do I especially with banks. |
Oh, for sure then. I'd find it really strange for someone not to accept local government issued ID. |
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