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bakather



Joined: 11 Jul 2013
Location: USA

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:17 pm    Post subject: Rejected because of Apostille? Reply with quote

Hi,

First, let me say that I know a state issued apostille is not the correct way of having the FBI CRC done. However, I did not realize this before I sent my documents off. According to EPIK's website, this is a valid way of doing it.
My question is has anyone been rejected because of this? It took me four months to get my check done because of my poor fingerprints, and my documents are already in Korea. Does anyone know of someone actually being rejected? Or has anyone gotten through with the state apostille lately? Thanks! I've invested so much time, effort, and money into this already!
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, here's one.

Quote:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=228435&sid=6673fffd90c967e3162b6f9f92f3b598


If you been rejected, mostly likely they ain't gonna return your documents. So get your fresh new documents ready if you are gonna apply again.
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bakather



Joined: 11 Jul 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that. But it isn't 100% clear that is why. They thought his was forged. I don't think that just a state apostille would make them think it was forged because they have seen countless state apostilles (they used to accept them.)

Since this would be the end of the road for me if the state one won't work (I have to be back in the States by the end of August 2014 for law school--if I'm accepted)I want to be more certain. I think I would have to break contract if I go get that one redone by the US State Dept. The one I have is sitting at FedEx in Korea because I put a hold on it to keep it from being delivered. I did see a post on a recruiting website about SMOE not accepting them, but even the recruiting site said that only applied to SMOE. Of course, that info is almost a year old. Thanks for answering me.
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Immigration as a whole has seen thousands of state apostilles but I doubt very seriously if individual examiners have seen and recognize all of them. The larger states (Calfornia, New York, Texas, etc.) sure, but would they really know if an Alabaman or Maine apostille is legt or not? Also, would the Gumi or Jeonju immigration office have seen enough of a variety to know? Maybe Seoul or Busan office...maybe. And depending on the qualify, I doubt that they could tell even the popular states if a person got a fairly good quality fake. NOT saying to do that or try. You could get in a heap of trouble if your state or the federal government finds out, its an offense to fake official documents. I'm just doubting their ability to know the difference. I went to school in a small populated state and when I brought my docs to immigration in my medium sized city, the lady glanced at it and that was it. I think the real truth is they have no idea what is really legit on the state level. The FBI check, yes, its the same for everyone, all the offices have seen plenty.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Rejected because of Apostille? Reply with quote

bakather wrote:
Hi,

First, let me say that I know a state issued apostille is not the correct way of having the FBI CRC done. However, I did not realize this before I sent my documents off. According to EPIK's website, this is a valid way of doing it.
My question is has anyone been rejected because of this? It took me four months to get my check done because of my poor fingerprints, and my documents are already in Korea. Does anyone know of someone actually being rejected? Or has anyone gotten through with the state apostille lately? Thanks! I've invested so much time, effort, and money into this already!


State level is the correct way to legalize a certified true copy of your degree.
A federal apostille is the correct way to legalize a federal document.

Can your application be rejected for having a state level apostille on your FBI CRC = yes.
Is it likely to happen = more likely now that when they first started back in 2008.

EPIK and GEPIK staff are now very likely to reject improperly legalized documents. They have mostly learned the difference and they see enough of them to know the difference.

Improperly legalized documents are more likely to slide by at some regional immigration office who doesn't see too many of them. These regional offices do not provide services to EPIK but will provide services to local hagwons or local schools/city education offices who are doing independent hiring.

I am sorry that it is not the definitive answer you were probably hoping for.

and as an afterthought.... even if they slide by now... it may catch up to you later. I'd order a new set anyway and get it done right just in case (but I am a belt ans suspenders - better to be safe than sorry kinda guy anyway).

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bakather



Joined: 11 Jul 2013
Location: USA

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: apostille Reply with quote

I hope it is ok! My recruiter is going to send it back to me if he sees a problem with it, but with the time that might add to getting my visa, I don't know if I could go confident I wouldn't have to break contract. I am at a public school with a separate department of education (not EPIK) in a rural area.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:16 pm    Post subject: Re: apostille Reply with quote

bakather wrote:
I hope it is ok! My recruiter is going to send it back to me if he sees a problem with it, but with the time that might add to getting my visa, I don't know if I could go confident I wouldn't have to break contract. I am at a public school with a separate department of education (not EPIK) in a rural area.


If it slides you are good until you try to change employers. It's not like you would have to break a contract over it.

Changing jobs on the other hand... It's not like you can just quit, walk across the street and start working for the next employer.

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bakather



Joined: 11 Jul 2013
Location: USA

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the reason I would have to break contract is if I had to redo it and the visa process was delayed because I will probably need to be back in the states at a certain time next year.
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spilot101



Joined: 05 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to EPIK's regulations (for US citizens):

"FBI CRC's should be apostilled by either the Department of State or the applicant's state's Secretary of State (See attachment)."

I chose the latter route and my package was (unsurprisingly) approved by EPIK. If I understood correctly, there's still a chance to get rejected by KI when you apply for an alien registration card?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spilot101 wrote:
According to EPIK's regulations (for US citizens):

"FBI CRC's should be apostilled by either the Department of State or the applicant's state's Secretary of State (See attachment)."

I chose the latter route and my package was (unsurprisingly) approved by EPIK. If I understood correctly, there's still a chance to get rejected by KI when you apply for an alien registration card?


IF it will be rejected it will happen in the visa confirmation stage.

If it slides by and you get the visa you are good for a year.
All bets are off for improperly legalized documents at transfer time (changing jobs).

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spilot101



Joined: 05 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Visa confirmation stage that takes place in the Korean Consulate General (where I sent my visa application package) you mean, not with the local immigration officials mentioned at the beginning of the post?
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spilot101



Joined: 05 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:


If it slides by and you get the visa you are good for a year.
All bets are off for improperly legalized documents at transfer time (changing jobs).



Should it matter at the transfer time anyways, since I would already have had my E-2 visa?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spilot101 wrote:
Visa confirmation stage that takes place in the Korean Consulate General (where I sent my visa application package) you mean, not with the local immigration officials mentioned at the beginning of the post?


Visa confirmation takes place 2 weeks before you actually go to a consulate to apply for your visa.

Visa confirmation takes place at the immigration office responsible for the employer's place of business.

You need the visa confirmation to apply for a visa at a Korean consulate abroad. No visa confirmation number = no E2 visa.

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spilot101



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Wink
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eventually



Joined: 30 Nov 2011

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked in Korea last year (EPIK) with a speedy non-official FBI check and a state apostille. I don't know how I didn't get called out on that.
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