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geldedgoat
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A couple details from my wife (I can't confirm these myself):
One of the kids drowned because he stayed in the water helping to save his friend(s).
The principal was busy getting drunk at the time of the incident, and when the kids started drowning, neither the principal nor the instructors wanted to get the police involved (presumably because they knew how reckless and stupid they'd been). When they finally did call the police, however, their first story was that the kids ran away from the group of their own accord to play in the ocean. One of the parents of the kids who drowned told an interviewer that his first reaction was to feel guilty for the trouble his child caused.  |
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sluggo832004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
A couple details from my wife (I can't confirm these myself):
One of the kids drowned because he stayed in the water helping to save his friend(s).
The principal was busy getting drunk at the time of the incident, and when the kids started drowning, neither the principal nor the instructors wanted to get the police involved (presumably because they knew how reckless and stupid they'd been). When they finally did call the police, however, their first story was that the kids ran away from the group of their own accord to play in the ocean. One of the parents of the kids who drowned told an interviewer that his first reaction was to feel guilty for the trouble his child caused. |
well, saving face causes more trouble again.
oh well. I remember a teacher asking me to watch 29 1st grade elementary kids for an hour outside. I told her "Ill quit before I do that".
Even if I was a lazy teacher with no common sense, I would at least tell the kids to keep your dang life vest on. They are called "life vest" for a reason. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| As if it couldn't get any worse, apparently the child of the parent that felt guilty was the one that drowned being a hero. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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Ironic that the fat they were trying to get rid of at this camp, possibly would have saved their lives.
I remember during swimming lessons in my dirigible-shaped childhood, that no matter what I tried, I would float thanks to my excess fat. Heck, we had this one drill where the instructor took us to the bottom and had us swim to the top. I just stood still and floated to the top. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:13 am Post subject: |
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The problem is that koreans start business ventures without having any experience, know-how or qualifications.
Any Korean can declare themself an expert lifeguard, military trainer or plastic surgeon. There is no regulation. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
The problem is that koreans start business ventures without having any experience, know-how or qualifications.
Any Korean can declare themself an expert lifeguard, military trainer or plastic surgeon. There is no regulation. |
That's not really true.... |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| maximmm wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
The problem is that koreans start business ventures without having any experience, know-how or qualifications.
Any Korean can declare themself an expert lifeguard, military trainer or plastic surgeon. There is no regulation. |
That's not really true.... |
I think he means they can declare themselves as an "expert". Not that any Joe off the street can start performing plastic surgery. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| maximm wrote: |
That's not really true.... |
It is though. Its part of why the Korean economy is so fluid and successful. They don't have masses of red tape or government controls like in other countries.
Did your hagwon owner or boss possess qualifications in English language or education? None of mine ever have. Let alone even business managment.
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I think he means they can declare themselves as an "expert". Not that any Joe off the street can start performing plastic surgery. |
They can though. Its an unregulated industry.
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South Korea has just 1,200 certified plastic surgeons. Many thousands of others are operating without proper qualifications.
Qualified operators say their old classmates from med school constantly badger them for lessons on lucrative cosmetic operations.
The result has been a dramatic drop in the price of plastic surgery, making it available to all. A second eyelid for the price of a night out.
And for those who want an even cheaper job, there is always the massage woman at the local sauna who is handy with the botox injection and the scalpel.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4229995.stm |
The same thing goes for any number of other businesses. The government takes a laissez-faire approach.
And so it is with military training camps also.
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:25 am Post subject: |
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But are those surgeons operating illegally?
I don't think you need any qualifications to open a private academy in the US. From what I can tell at least. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| But are those surgeons operating illegally? |
Are the barber shops, massage parlours and other vendors of prostitution that you see on every street "operating illegally?"
You seem naive as to how things work in this country. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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Julius, do you need to be a teacher to legally open up a private school? Do you need to be a doctor to legally open up a clinic? Heck, do you need to be a cook to open up a restaurant?
While to me it'd make sense to know the area/industry you are getting yourself into, many business ppl simply look at it as an investment - and then hire (hopefully) qualified ppl to run/work it.
I'd be curious as to the actual laws in Korea regarding it though. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| optik404 wrote: |
| But are those surgeons operating illegally? |
Are the barber shops, massage parlours and other vendors of prostitution that you see on every street "operating illegally?"
You seem naive as to how things work in this country. |
You still haven't answered the question. Can a guy with no medical license/background/etc perform surgery legally? I doubt it. |
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thebearofbundang
Joined: 02 Sep 2012
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Any Korean can declare themself an expert lifeguard, military trainer or plastic surgeon. There is no regulation. |
I'm pretty sure that's not true at all.. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
You still haven't answered the question.. |
Yes I did.
Originally you said (and I quote)
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| Not that any Joe off the street can start performing plastic surgery. |
I've just proven to you that they can and do.
That the reality is that the majority of people in Korea doing plastic surgery are unqualified.
Thats just a fact.
After you got shot down, then you decided to move the goalpost and add in your own qualifier "but are they operating legally". Sorry but its too late for you to try and make defeat look like a victory sonny. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| thebearofbundang wrote: |
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| Any Korean can declare themself an expert lifeguard, military trainer or plastic surgeon. There is no regulation. |
I'm pretty sure that's not true at all.. |
Is that all you can say mister bear?
I've just proven to you that there are no legal requirements to run a military training camp.
I've just pointed out that its extremely easy to call yourself a plastic surgeon, set up shop and stop operating, and suffer no legal penalty. In fact its the norm.
That was my point. There is no regulation.
What you have to remember is that this is still a start-up country in many ways and they just haven't gotten round to putting certain government structures in place.
Add in to that the deliberate policy of laissez faire which has enabled this economy to grow so fast but also adapt quickly.
Half of the mom n'pop shops you see on the streets would be inspected and shut down within days if they were in the west. They'd be paying fines, or having to spend months or years either acquiring professional qualifications or waiting for approval at council level before being able to get licensed. |
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