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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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 Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Banner at Korea-Japan soccer game stirs trouble |
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Japanese media outlets grew upset over the Korean banner, “A nation which forgets its history has no future,” sprawled across Korean fans at the East Asian Cup Korea-Japan football match on July 28.
The Japanese media also reported on the banners depicting Admiral Yi Sun-shin and independence martyr An Jung-geun.
“Voicing political statements in a football game is strictly forbidden, and according to FIFA regulations, Korea may face repercussions,” commented Sankei News.
The Japanese paper added that Korean player Park Jong-woo faced consequences for running onto the field with a placard reading, “Dokdo is our land,” at the London Olympics Korea-Japan match last year.
“The face of anti-Japanese movement hero An Jung-geun was hanging on a banner before the game,” stated Yomiuri News. “It’s a shame they brought historical issues to a sports competition.”
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They've got it wrong. Political views may not be expressed by the governing body (in this case Korean FA and players), attending fans can speak freely as long as peace is not disturbed.
News media should not be expressing opinions either. If they do, they lose the 'don't shoot the messenger' clause. i.e. Japanese news media is being political when they shouldn't be. Sankei news can 'report' that somebody said such and such was racist and so on, not Sankei news says that image of the terrorist An Jung Geun is an inflamatory statement. FOX news avoids this problem by employing 'commentators' and 'pundits' who are not journalists (Bill O'Reilly is not employed as a journalist) so they can say what ever. All these are, of course, idealistic guide-lines. Japanese media laws maybe different, for all I know.
Therefore in this case KoreaBashers have committed 'you can have freedom of speech as long as I like what you say'.
Just another BS scandal on a slow news day.  |
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catman
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Experts say that presenting political statements in football matches clearly violates FIFA regulations.
According to the disciplinary code of the FIFA, “Anyone who insults someone in any way, especially by using offensive gestures or language, or who violates the principles of fair play or whose behavior is unsporting in any other way may be subject to sanctions.”
After the banner was taken down, the Red Devils, a group of Korean football supporters, refused to cheer on the national team in the second half. On its Facebook page, the Seoul sector of the Red Devils wrote that its members would not bang drums or chant songs for Korea in protest of the decision by the KFA, the country’s football governing body, to remove the banner.
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2013/07/116_140202.html
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FIFA has punished other national football associations in the past for the actions of fans. Especially racist incidents in Europe.
However, considering that the KFA removed the banner during that match I doubt there would be any repercussions. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| IPayInCash wrote: |
| You're no better than the racists at football matches that throw bananas at the black players. |
Really?  |
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SMKOREA
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| People in Japan don't give a ModEdit about Dok-do island. |
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meangradin
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| lighten up people! classic sports rivalries are usually geo-political in nature. plus, rather see them argue politics on a soccer field than on a battle field. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Those signs (Koreans) and the imperial flag (Japanese) were out of place at a sporting event. That is the extent of any "outrage" one should feel about this.
If they were against the rules, one can hope the respective Football federations will be fined according to the rules, then again as was said earlier, both offending signs / flags were taken down during the game so this may all be a moot point. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Those signs (Koreans) and the imperial flag (Japanese) were out of place at a sporting event. That is the extent of any "outrage" one should feel about this.
If they were against the rules, one can hope the respective Football federations will be fined according to the rules, then again as was said earlier, both offending signs / flags were taken down during the game so this may all be a moot point. |
True, the signs/flag were surely in bad taste. They did the proper thing in having both removed. As for the "taken down during the game", I guess it was just an oversight that one of the offenders was noticed and handled so quickly while the other managed to stick around for quite a bit longer.
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I was in the stadium. A guy near us was waving his imperial Japanese flag for a good while before security made him take it down.
The Korean side has their two flags/banners with Yi Sun Shin and An Jung-geun and then the text about the future/past.
Don't agree with that shit from either side but it was telling that the single Japanese fan was made to withdraw his within about 5 minutes whereas it took nearly 50 for the 'no future' banner on the Korean side. |
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Swampfox10mm
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| Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails, are you in Korea? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| Steelrails, are you in Korea? |
Yes. Why?
I have a lot of ideas where this question is going, none of them good. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| byrddogs wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Those signs (Koreans) and the imperial flag (Japanese) were out of place at a sporting event. That is the extent of any "outrage" one should feel about this.
If they were against the rules, one can hope the respective Football federations will be fined according to the rules, then again as was said earlier, both offending signs / flags were taken down during the game so this may all be a moot point. |
True, the signs/flag were surely in bad taste. They did the proper thing in having both removed. As for the "taken down during the game", I guess it was just an oversight that one of the offenders was noticed and handled so quickly while the other managed to stick around for quite a bit longer.
| fezmond wrote: |
I was in the stadium. A guy near us was waving his imperial Japanese flag for a good while before security made him take it down.
The Korean side has their two flags/banners with Yi Sun Shin and An Jung-geun and then the text about the future/past.
Don't agree with that shit from either side but it was telling that the single Japanese fan was made to withdraw his within about 5 minutes whereas it took nearly 50 for the 'no future' banner on the Korean side. |
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Who knows. The point is they were both taken down during the game. That ends it as far as I am concerned. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| Nationalism is bad. Why can't Koreans and Japanese understand this simple truth? This is why I love the Russians who are often very self-hating. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| Why is nationalism bad? |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| Why is nationalism bad? |
OK - Why is it good? |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Those signs (Koreans) and the imperial flag (Japanese) were out of place at a sporting event. |
The Rising Sun flag should be no more controversial than the Union Jack, and when the Koreans and Chinese throw these tantrums about it they appear embarrassingly childish. |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Those signs (Koreans) and the imperial flag (Japanese) were out of place at a sporting event. |
The Rising Sun flag should be no more controversial than the Union Jack, and when the Koreans and Chinese throw these tantrums about it they appear embarrassingly childish. |
I think a better comparison would be the Confederate Flag. Take one of those to a sporting event in the US and see what reaction you get. |
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