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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:54 am    Post subject: shochu - Japanese soju Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dch%C5%AB

I recently tried some of this in Japan. Although Korean soju is commonly exported, I have never found shochu outside Japan (not sure why)

At convenience stores in Japan, one can buy cheap varieties that are bottled in plastic. But per unit alcohol, the price is still higher than a bottle of mainstream soju in Korea. I wasn't interested in the cheap stuff, so some guys and I at the hostel visited the local wine & spirits store and easily found a high quality shochu. The price was equivalent to about 10,000 won for 300ml, and its strength is 25%. It was among the more expensive we could find, and the quality was very high. Smooth taste, pleasant flavor.

I've only had a few somewhat expensive Korean soju varieties, but this was still much better. Made me wonder, why are Korean people so loyal to 2 brands that produce a very cheap, rather low quality product? And, why do liquor stores in Korea (for the most part) not stock any (higher quality) soju?

I get the sense that both Korean and Japanese people value high quality in the things they consume, and they are often willing to pay for it. But in Korea, high quality domestic alcohol is very hard to find and usually only available at a big supermarket like E-Mart.

Any thoughts of why there is this apparent contradiction?


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fezmond



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shochu is <swear edit> horrible. That is all I have to say on the matter. (I hate soju to a lesser extent).
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yodanole



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) You can buy Jinro Soju in Japan in 750 ml bottles for about Y1000. You won't find it in the convenience stores, only in actual supermarkets, usually underneath a department store.

2) In 1995, when the Korean government raised the tax on beer and imported liquors signifigantly, they also stated that soju would be exempt from this out of regard for the working man. The recent price increases not withstanding, soju taxes are relatively insignifigant. It doesn't cost a lot to make, not a lot of investment in storage space for aging and low taxes. Even the best soju doesn't have a lot of cost relative to other beverages. Korean people know that expensive domestic soju would be simply the result of profiteering through middleman markup. That dog won't hunt. Yet.
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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fezmond wrote:
Shochu is fucking horrible. That is all I have to say on the matter. (I hate soju to a lesser extent).

Sounds like you chose the cheap stuff.
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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yodanole wrote:
1) You can buy Jinro Soju in Japan in 750 ml bottles for about Y1000. You won't find it in the convenience stores, only in actual supermarkets, usually underneath a department store.

2) In 1995, when the Korean government raised the tax on beer and imported liquors signifigantly, they also stated that soju would be exempt from this out of regard for the working man. The recent price increases not withstanding, soju taxes are relatively insignifigant. It doesn't cost a lot to make, not a lot of investment in storage space for aging and low taxes. Even the best soju doesn't have a lot of cost relative to other beverages. Korean people know that expensive domestic soju would be simply the result of profiteering through middleman markup. That dog won't hunt. Yet.

I remember when I first came to Korea visiting the local Lotte Mart and noticing very expensive (and strong) Andong soju. More expensive than a bottle of high quality vodka back in the US.

Maybe what more inspired my question is, there are many makers Japanese shochu, but just a few of Korean soju, and the vast majority of Korean people (working-class to white-collar) drink the cheapest stuff available.
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yodanole



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andong soju is sort of a different animal. People refer to it as Chinese ( style ) soju. There aren't really any particular non varietal sojus that have any elitist pretensions. When Koreans want that sort of thing, it will probably be imported liquor. Witness the W300, 000-400,000 price tag on a bottle of relatively run of the mill bottle of scotch that I saw in a Pusan pizza/Western food cafe even 20 years ago. Baek Sae Ju is a bit more pricy, but it's a varietal.

The nature of the perception of soju and it's function in society sort of precludes that kind of thing ( IMO ). OTOH, Soju ( Korean or Japanese ) in Florida is $30 for a 750 ml bottle, if you can find it.
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fezmond



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanseurVertical wrote:
fezmond wrote:
Shochu is fucking horrible. That is all I have to say on the matter. (I hate soju to a lesser extent).

Sounds like you chose the cheap stuff.


Probably. It was in one of those 280 Yen for a drink bars. I'm not into that type of drink anyway but it was worth trying.
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12ax7



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why drink shochu when you can have excellent sake for about the same price?
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maitaidads



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: shochu - Japanese soju Reply with quote

DanseurVertical wrote:
I have never found shochu outside Japan


You can find shochu in most American liquor stores and Japanese restaurants; Korean soju is much rarer. I second that shochu tastes a bit worse than the green bottle.
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transmogrifier



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fezmond wrote:
Shochu is fucking horrible. That is all I have to say on the matter. (I hate soju to a lesser extent).


Jesus, it must be atrocious to be worse than soju, which is probably the alcohol I hate the most.
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nukeday



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Japanese shochu was an okay, fairly affordable way to get drunk. It tends to get served in an iced, watered down cocktail though. Takes away the bite, but makes it pretty refreshing.
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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

transmogrifier wrote:
fezmond wrote:
Shochu is fucking horrible. That is all I have to say on the matter. (I hate soju to a lesser extent).


Jesus, it must be atrocious to be worse than soju, which is probably the alcohol I hate the most.

hmm, seems that someone didn't read later comments, or else just wanted an opportunity to express his distaste for bad soju :P
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DanseurVertical



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:22 am    Post subject: Re: shochu - Japanese soju Reply with quote

maitaidads wrote:
DanseurVertical wrote:
I have never found shochu outside Japan


You can find shochu in most American liquor stores and Japanese restaurants; Korean soju is much rarer. I second that shochu tastes a bit worse than the green bottle.

Strange. Where back in the States? It's a pretty big country, and each state has different liquor laws and different demographics, so I'm hesitant to generalize.

I've lived in 2 different states in the US since I could legally visit a liquor store. First in the mid-Atlantic, where nihonshu (sake) was rare and shochu practically unavailable, but soju could be bought at a few liquor stores in the city. Later in the West, where good nihonshu was available at every supermarket, and only soju at liquor stores. I think soju was commonly available because the city was near a US military base. But again, no shochu. I imagine that in California or NY, shochu is commonly available.

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Last, the shochu I had in Japan was better than any soju I have ever had. It was also expensive. Good for a special occasion. Pleasant flavor and smooth. Much better taste than high quality vodka, and much smoother than more expensive Korean soju. The main point of my OP was to question why Korean people do not make or strive to make a soju for special occasions.


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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:24 am    Post subject: Re: shochu - Japanese soju Reply with quote

DanseurVertical wrote:

I've only had a few somewhat expensive Korean soju varieties, but this was still much better. Made me wonder, why are Korean people so loyal to 2 brands that produce a very cheap, rather low quality product?


Because it's probably the most cost effective way to get drunk quickly? I've read that the cheap, terrible "soju" you're referring to here was the result of a temporary ban on using rice to make actual soju, but even now that said ban is no longer in effect, lots of people simply want to get sloshed at bargain prices.

DanseurVertical wrote:
And, why do liquor stores in Korea (for the most part) not stock any (higher quality) soju?


I've seen higher quality soju stocked out here, and my village is quite out of the way. Andong soju is particularly famous, though it's alcohol content is much higher.
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Jake_Kim



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:36 am    Post subject: Re: shochu - Japanese soju Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
DanseurVertical wrote:

I've only had a few somewhat expensive Korean soju varieties, but this was still much better. Made me wonder, why are Korean people so loyal to 2 brands that produce a very cheap, rather low quality product?


Because it's probably the most cost effective way to get drunk quickly? I've read that the cheap, terrible "soju" you're referring to here was the result of a temporary ban on using rice to make actual soju, but even now that said ban is no longer in effect, lots of people simply want to get sloshed at bargain prices.

DanseurVertical wrote:
And, why do liquor stores in Korea (for the most part) not stock any (higher quality) soju?


I've seen higher quality soju stocked out here, and my village is quite out of the way. Andong soju is particularly famous, though it's alcohol content is much higher.



Gresham's law, or at least some allegory to it.
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